Posted on 08/10/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Nightline Tonight Mon., March 14, 2005
That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast:
Love
Cindy Sheehan
March 15, 2005
To Whom it May Concern:
Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.
[SNIP]
I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.
The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?
Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.
It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.
I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.
Keeping them under his thumb, my ass! He was giving people like Abu Nidal and Zarqawi sanctuary. He even had a passenger jet in Salman Pak that was used to train hijackers.
The longer that this insane useful idiot hangs out with her "progressive" masters, the more idiotic is the stuff coming out of her mouth.
And sponsoring suicide bombers!
Fair enough. I can understand your perspective.
People have always moved to cities for many different reasons, from time immemorial.
Iconoclast has a strange inability to see how his remarks so closely parallel the early antisemitism of pre-Reich Germany of the thirties.
The only thing close to a parallel to the era in which your mind is stuck is a powerful, headstrong leader who did not hesitate to preemptively invade a weak non-threatening nation on the basis of trumped up charges.
Of course every politician with an overseas problem and every demagogue with an axe to grind can always be counted on to raise the Hitler hobgoblin. History will probably never provide those on thin ice a better diversionary tactic.
But I repeat, there are no parallels here sir and your attempts to overlay 2001 with a 30's and 40's template are pathetic. It matters not how much heat and spittle with which you present them.
His flawed opinions about why we are in Iraq, or extremely off-the-mark comments about giving up on OBL (psst... we're still in Afghanistan) notwithstanding,
Quite so DB, and it seems be a mark of pride for you that we continue to shed blood there while OBL (the evil manipulator that brought death and destruction to Manhattan FOUR years ago) sits comfortably undisturbed just a few miles away ..... smirking, recruiting, training, planning, and executing.
Meanwhile, two nations away, we are busy setting up voting booths, hammering together a gallows for an evil, old despot who was never for a moment a serious threat to our nation, and carrying off the bodies of our dead and horribly wounded sitting-duck troops.
BTW, speaking of recruiting, I see in today's news that we are attempting to raise the recruitment entry age for ALL services to FORTY-TWO.
And so it goes. Have you neocons and Bushies no shame?
Well, not necessarily. I'm part of the next wave of conservatives: I'm only 20. The Romans believed that between 50 and 65 was a man's prime. So, get cracking. ;)
A village in Poland isn't what the person who yearned to live like a hermit was talking about. But it is extremely doubtful that he would last a week in such a village.
But since you enjoyed it, why don't you go back there and stay?
YIKES!
I'm glad that they led you to FR. :-)
Limbaugh is blasting Sheehan and her Michael Moore Leftist views beautifully right now (and CBS for a typically biased story about her)
Here is where I do disagree with you vehemently Iconoclast. There is a connection between 1930s Germany and Britain (and the U.S.) and the U.S. of today.
On the one hand, we have all these wackos demanding that we appease the terrorists, who initiated the conflict I might add, that we seek to understand them, that we give in to their demands, so that we might have "peace in our time".
On another, we have and had isolationists like yourself who wanted to declare a "pox on all houses", insisting that the fight would never come to us if we just stayed out.
And then, we have people who saw the threat for what it was. War is never good, but it's not necessarily the worse thing either. The consequences of not fighting, or capitulating are far worse than fighting.
We can either stop the budding Islamofascists now, and hurt ourselves while doing so, but enjoy a decent chance of success. Or we can do nothing, hope for the best while they build their strength, their courage and raise armies in our midst and try to turn our wives and daughters and mothers and sisters into chattel and ourselves and our sons and brothers and fathers into corpses, or spineless dhimmis.
I enjoyed several different places but I cannot be everywhere. Anyway this village changed since my childhood and it is completely modernised.
My point is that the old way of life was not so hellish as some people think.
So am I, my friend, so am I. ;)
Of course, and I don't have time for a long discussion, but if he was not the Christ, then most of what he said was Blasphemy of the worst kind, and the Chief Priests and Pharisees had every right, nay duty to have him crucified. In fact, they may have had a duty anyway to prevent a massacre by the Romans. We talk of his taking our pain upon himself and being our martyr... it seems to me the Romans were getting ready to come down hard on all the unrest. Anyway, it says that Caiaphas had the idea that it was better that one man die for the people. I'm not one that holds all the Jews of the era as evil. In fact, I see many who had followed him as hugely disappointed that he had come with such promise yet showed himself to be just another frail, skin and bones, human being in the end, subject to Roman whim like all the rest.
I'm listening to Rush too and heard it. :-)
An interesting perspective. I think that his distinction between the letter of the laws of faith and their spirit is an important one, however. Anyways, back to the discussion on Cindy Sheehan...
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