Cindy Sheehan: "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."

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[Sam Hill]

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  That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast:
  Love
 

  Cindy Sheehan
 

  March 15, 2005
 

  To Whom it May Concern:
 

  Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.

[SNIP]

  I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.
 

  The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?
 

  Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.
 

  It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.
 

  I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.

[Alexander Rubin]

Both. She has clearly said so numerous times.

[Sam Hill]

"She could be anti-Semite, and I can understand suspicion that she is (and I suspect her myself, though there is little evidence). But it's more a hatred of Israel as a symbol of the West."

You're leaving out her rants about "neo-cons." Why would she bring them up if she didn't see it as a Jewish plot?

BTW, the usenet post that started this thread, and the others I have posted are from a group called Bullyard. It has only 16 members (which is weirdly low for a usenet group).

They all seem to be radical ultra-left Catholics, including ex-priests and Cindy. Here is how they describe themselves;

"Description: An eclectic group, mostly men, gathered from around the world. Many are ex priests and the discussions are mostly political and religious. On the far right there are strong Bush supporters. On the far left there are heavy Bush bashers. Not for the faint of heart. (16 members)"

http://tinyurl.com/bzgqb

It's a lie about some being Bush supporters. There are none there. They are all rabid Bush bashers.

[Age of Reason]

At the end it mentions that a historical neocon would be Pres. Theodore Roosevelt and a modern one would be Ronald Reagan.

I have always been fond of Theodore.

Although I have had no illusions about him: I doubt I would have liked him very much were he and I contemporaries.

But over the span of a hundred years, I can smile at his often wrong-headed ideas.

And I can forgive his naivety, as his was a more innocent world than ours.

As for Reagan, well I was never that impressed.

[Victoria Delsoul]

It was posted by finnman69. I thought it was part of an article.

Maybe we should ask him about it.

[nopardons]

Being blessed or cursed with a far better than average memory, I remember that the damned lefties used war widows and women whose husbands and sons were MIAs/POWs for all they were worth, back then.

Thanks for posting the corroboration. :-)

[Sam Hill]

"Does Cindy want Israel out of Palestine"

She says she does. She says it is the root of terrorism.

"Or does Cindy America out of their quarrel?"

She wants US out of America. She hates us, our system of government--which she calls morally repugnant. She hates our elected leaders and calls them gangsters and criminals.

She says we've been on a 200 year killing spree since we showed up here. She wants the US to disappear.

Again, in that way she also echos her pal, OBL.

[nopardons]

Israel isn't a JEWISH STATE, then?

It's not that "EVERYTHING" is anti-Semitic; it's that what the lefties say and what some people here post, most assuredly is anit-Semitic!

[Alexander Rubin]

Neo-cons are not necessarily Jewish, and most do seem to value Israel highly. She could see it as a neo-con plot. ;) Which means she can accuse big business of complicity as well.

As I said, she could be anti-Semite. Or she could just be another stupid, naive, overemotional, exaggering, moral absolute relatavist, anti-action lefty moonbat. G-d knows there's no shortage of those.

And so what? Many people hate Bush. It's nothing new. I'm Canadian. Even my friends rib me for giving him any support or defense at all, and other people outright insult me from time to time.

Though I should go hassle that group. ;)

Do my answers satisfy you now?

[finnman69]

These articles?

http://www.counterpunch.org/ferner08092005.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/archive/2005/May2005/SFSUhostsaterrorist050305.htm

[joanie-f]

Cindy,
There's a reason other families aren't calling you. You demean their sacrifice, just as you demean your own. We know you are hurting, it's not like it never happened to anyone else, it happened to 58,000 families during the Vietnam war. How do you suppose those families felt when people like those who council you now, told them their loss was meaningless.
You would do yourself a great justice by going to Iraq, to see for your self what your son died to create. Instead of falling for the bitter poison of the leftist agitators, immerse your grief in the company of those who knew your son and who are carrying on the work he started. Try just a little to give them the support you say they deserve, and you will be overwhelmed by the support they are willing to give you, while still carrying the burdens of their duty, and the hopes and fears of their own families.
t.

Beautiful, Tom! Absolutely beautiful! (she says with a noticeable lump in her throat).

I heard Cindy Sheehan spew her (no doubt Soros or Moore authored) leftist talking points on the Michael Smerconish show on WPHT out of Philadelphia this morning. She read what sounded like a scripted statement, stuttered a little when Smerconish attempted to ask her some reasonable questions, and then simply hung up. At which point I turned off the program in utter disgust with the leftists’ two sets of rules.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Cindy Sheehan and Nick Berg’s father are blood relatives.

Cindy Sheehan has been a traitor to America and an enemy of liberty for much longer than some would have us believe. Here’s a photo of her addressing a gathering of anti-war students at San Francisco State University earlier this year – a meeting that was called in order to honor Lynne Stewart, the terrorist lawyer known to have close connections to Omar Abdel Rahman, the butcher who was instrumental in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Among the contents of Ms. Sheehan’s borderline-seditionist, borderline-treasonous address to the assembled traitors in patriots’ clothing were the following statements:

'America has been killing people on this continent since it was started.'

'This country is not worth dying for.'

'The biggest terrorist is George W. Bush.'

'9/11 was Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives’ agenda.'

'The U.S. government a morally repugnant system.'

And here is a copy of the flyer that was handed out to everyone entering the room in which Sheehan delivered her address:

( reference link for the meeting: SFSU Hosts a Terrorist )

Think about it for a few minutes. Hard to allow your mind to absorb such a nightmarish vision, isn’t it? ........

An ‘American’ mother of a slain American soldier, who believed so much in the American military that he re-enlisted, is now attending, and speaking at, meetings that are recruiting Americans to support the very barbarians who slaughtered her duty-bound son.

Infinitely inconceivable to the finite mind.

I, and I believe most of the posters on this forum, are of the firm belief that our priorities must always be embraced as:

(1) God
(2) Family
(3) Country

Through her actions over the last few months, Cindy Sheehan has debased all three.

Scripture says that we are to beware of false teachers, and to stand firm against evil. Ms. Sheehan’s words in the article at the head of this thread (‘ … he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel’ being one of her countless recent recitations of leftist talking points) bears witness to the fact that she has reduced herself to serving as a willing mouthpiece for the false teachers’ propagandistic mantras … and that she would have preferred that her son also retreat in the face of evil.

He did not.

She has also betrayed her son’s devotion to duty, and his ultimate willing sacrifice, and is allowing herself to be used (1) as a pawn by those degenerate, evil madmen against whom her son laid down his very life, and (2) as a stooge by the un-American anti-war, anti-Israel left.

Her hate-filled words, and the numerous vulgar methods she has used to deliver them, are every bit as treasonous as the words uttered by, and messages produced by, the Michael Moores, Jane Fondas and Harry Belafontes of this world.

These are not the words and actions of a grief-stricken mother. They are the words and actions of a self-absorbed useful idiot who has knowingly and voluntarily thrown her support behind the violent, obsessed madmen of this world, and the American left, some of whom would prefer to see those madmen gain victories than accede to relinquishing even a portion of their own political power.

Cindy Sheehan is enjoying her fifteen minutes of fame and reveling in being fawned over by the leftist, anti-war media. Little does she realize that, once her usefulness to them has run its course, she will be abandoned to hang in the wind … a modern-day Judas.

There is no such thing as faithfulness, loyalty, or reverence for truth among the hate-America left, the vitriolic movement of which she has now proven herself to be a card-carrying member.

Her God, her son, and her country deserve better.

~ joanie

[Age of Reason]

Both. She has clearly said so numerous times.

I'd like to see the quote, in its context, myself before I take anyone's word for it.

But that's just a formality, because I don't know very much about Cindy; I haven't been following her views in their entirety.

I would not be surprised to learn she has some ill-formed ideas--as I get the feeling she is only just begining to figure things out.

That said . .

Cindy is free to desire Israel out of Palestine, if she likes.

But that business should be no business of America's either way, if at all possible.

[Victoria Delsoul]

The first link is the correct one. Thanks.

Why was your post deleted it, do you know? I thought it was an interesting post.

[nopardons]

BRAVA!

[Alexander Rubin]

I disagree. Read my earlier posts to Iconoclast in this thread as to why. Since I am too lazy to respost them.

[Alexander Rubin]

Thank you, very handy.

[Victoria Delsoul]

My pleasure.

[finnman69]

I have no idea why my post was deleted..

try this post
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1459848/posts?page=26#26

[Alexander Rubin]

Bravo, and G-d bless you for expressing such sentiments.

Good priorities btw.

1) G-d
2) Family
3) Country

That about sums it up, eh?

[Victoria Delsoul]

Oh, it was a double post, hehehe. The mods are working overtime.

Just kidding. Love ya mods, LOL!

[Age of Reason]

Israel isn't a JEWISH STATE, then?

It's not that "EVERYTHING" is anti-Semitic; it's that what the lefties say and what some people here post, most assuredly is anit-Semitic!

By your logic,

Since Israel is composed of human beings...

...anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-human.