Cindy Sheehan: "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."

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[Sam Hill]

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  That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast:
  Love
 

  Cindy Sheehan
 

  March 15, 2005
 

  To Whom it May Concern:
 

  Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.

[SNIP]

  I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.
 

  The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?
 

  Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.
 

  It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.
 

  I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.

[iconoclast]

I believe we went into Iraq for a number of reasons. Because of the inspection violations, the ceasefire violations, to keep the pressure on the terrorists (who were finding sanctuary in Iraq)--and yes, because something had to be done to change the pattern in Iraq.

Democracies (to use a shorthand term) don't start wars. Democracies don't breed terrorists.

Right now the only three nations that have elections in the Middle East are Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq. You don't think that people in the Middle East aren't noticing? Do you think what is going on for the good in Iran is happening in a vacuum? In Libya? Syria?

I'm disappointed in you Sam, you don't have half the administration talking points down pat.

I was going to suggest you start doing some independent thinking but if you can't handle memorization, well ...

[Miss Marple]

I know. I remember those years, too.

It is just so frustrating. I honestly believe that the left has spent some time hatching this strategy: using anti-war mothers of dead servicemen as a way to get press attention.

I will bet you that somewhere there was a meeting in which this plan was put forth; someone happened to know a few women who were anti-war but had sons serving, and I will bet cash money that the leftists checked the casualty lists in order to find a match. They contacted these women and the rest is obvious.

It is a typical leftist strategy: repulsive, scummy, and duplicitous.

And one other thing I think: there were some leftists that were checking those casualty lists HOPING some of these women lost their sons, so they could use them.

[Sam Hill]

"The neocons were convinced that if we invaded Iraq and turned it into a functioning western democracy that it would have a spill over effect in the rest of the area thus making the entire region safer."

Does Libya still pursue nuclear weapons? Is Syria still in Lebanon? Is Saddam still within easy rich of 1/4 of the world's oil supplies? Are their student uprisings in Iran?

[iconoclast]

If true, he would be committing sedition. Which is an open act of treason

Thanks Alex, that's the word I was searching my tired old mind for but couldn't come up with!

[A. Pole]

And that if it comes to the fall of the West, I would rather go down swinging than lying down. Or having my children growing up in an Islamist suicide cult.

Saddam Hussein was a militant secularist and a socialist. He wanted to Westernize Iraq. He wanted women to be emancipated. He was an enemy of Islamists (even if at the end he tried to appease them in order to survive).

That is why Ronald Reagan supported him. Will Iraq be a secular state again?

[Sam Hill]

You are a troll. An anti-Semitic troll.

[Peach]

Wow. There's a lot in those two posts about the threat that Iraq posed to us that you DIDN'T answer. Very telling.

So we should have just ignored those 78 different reports that Iraq's regime was training to attack America? Is that your position?

Iraq provided AQ with WMD training. Is it your position we should have just ignored that?

Iraq was the ATM to AQ. We should have just let that continue?

Iraqi operatives were present during at least one pre planning 9/11 meeting. We should have just ignored that, is that your position?

Your position is at odds with even the left's position on Iraq in 1998 when they signed Iraqi regime change legislation and talked about going after Saddam. So you're to the left of the reasonable democrats. Interesting.

[Sam Hill]

"That is why Ronald Reagan supported him. Will Iraq be a secular state again?"

What is this, rewrite history day? Reagan "supported" Iraq (far less than just about every other country, BTW) insofar as he didn't want it overrun by ultra radical Iran--which has a population ten times its size and which was very close to winning the war against Iraq.

Sheesh.

[popdonnelly]

Please stop patronizing your fellow posters. It makes you sound immature.

[iconoclast]

You are a troll. An anti-Semitic troll.

I see you are out of intellectual ammo and I'm getting tired myself.

Sleep well.

[nopardons]

I've probably read ( and remember) far more columns written by Robert Novak, than you and he has NEVER reported what you claim.

If you are getting your info from watching the CAPITAL GANG, give up now and go back to DU!

OTOG, if you want to educate yourself, read FR's archives.

[A. Pole]

What is this, rewrite history day? Reagan "supported" Iraq (far less than just about every other country, BTW) insofar as he didn't want it overrun by ultra radical Iran--which has a population ten times its size and which was very close to winning the war against Iraq.

So he did, for eight long years. Even to the point of sending the US Navy in 1988 (when the tragic shooting down of Irnanian airliner took place).

[Sam Hill]

He has no facts. He has to get by with attitude, and hope nobody notices.

[pepperhead]

Take a look at who originally were called neo-conservatives. The vast majority were Jews.

Its my theory on its code meaning among the left. Others have suggested it as well.

Exactly.... The first few times I ever seen that term used it was with Wolfowitz or other jewish people. The articles always seemed to question who they were for, the US or Israel. Or they would ask why we were working so hard for jewish interests. For that reason I am always suspicious of people when they use that term.

[nopardons]

:-)

[Alia]

:).

Just got back -- and, the thread is still growing ?

[Alexander Rubin]

No problem.

[M Kehoe]

I really feel sorry for Cindy Sheehan. Her grief over her son's valiant service, and subsequent death, has warped her mind. I just hope her son will forgive her.

Poor lady. I will pray for her to regain her sanity.

5.56mm

[goldstategop]

She's just another moonbat leftist. Its unbelievable these people hate our President, don't want to see us win and would rather see Israel destroyed because its one of our allies we're helping to defend over there. Oh yes, we're first and foremost protecting America in Iraq by trying to prevent a more catastrophic terrorist attack from happening here. There where a lot of reasons we went to war in Iraq and finding WMD was one of them. The fact we didn't find them in Iraq doesn't mean we aren't in a dangerous neighborhood. Let's face it, the Middle East has always been a dangerous part of the world. And by mid-wifing a democracy in Iraq and helping freedom to take root there, we are cutting out the cancer by the root so to speak. You would think Sheehan and the Left would applaud treating the root cause of terrorism, which is removing from power regimes that sponsor and harbor them. Not this time. Their opposition to the Iraq War is not based on high-minded principle but politics.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Peach]

I see our little troll BreauxBridge has been banned. hehehe