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Army Relieves General of His Command
Army Web Site | Aug 8, 05 | Army Web Page

Posted on 08/09/2005 7:41:36 AM PDT by SLB

Below is the release put on the Army website last night…..
Army Relieves General of His Command
August 8, 2005

On Aug. 8, the Chief of Staff of the Army directed the relief of Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes from his position as Commanding General, United States Army Training and Doctrine Command. The investigation upon which this relief is based is undergoing further review to determine the appropriate final disposition of this matter.

As the investigation into this is continuing, please discourage speculation from your Soldiers. LTG Jones will be the acting commander until LTG Wallace is confirmed as the new TRADOC commander.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: army; byrnes; dod; tradoc; ucmj
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To: leadpenny
This is as big as Singlaub or Edwin A. Walker, and they were both just two stars.

The last time I can recall an Army 4 star getting relieved was MacArthur. Not that I was there, mind you... :)

121 posted on 08/09/2005 1:36:30 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Terabitten

And he was a five star. :)


122 posted on 08/09/2005 1:39:03 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Sensei Ern
The only exception I found was in the medical area...a lot of liberals were in there. Not a majority, but that is where they clustered.

I met one who had been a Vietnam war protestor. I guess she was doing penance for that, poking at Reservists' teeth for two weeks a year. Don't know if she was still a "liberal."

123 posted on 08/09/2005 1:40:36 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: leadpenny

LOL yup.

Can you think of another Army four-star being relieved since then? I can't.


124 posted on 08/09/2005 1:45:35 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Terabitten

Nope. I mentioned earlier, Wesley Clark being brought back from NATO early, Kernan retiring after two years at Joint Forces Command, and the SOUTHCOM CG being forced into retirement just before we invaded Panama. Kernan had gotten on the wrong side of Rumsfeld when he said some things before a House committee that Rummy didn't agree with. Rumsfeld and Myers publicly dressed down Kernan and a Navy admiral during a news conference a day or so later. Warner (or Wagner) was the four star in Panama who was replaced by Max Thurman. Thurman was just about retired when GHWB "asked" him to go to Panama to get Noriega.


125 posted on 08/09/2005 2:09:11 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: connectthedots

2/77 Armor .... DATs that were .... I thought Cavasos was a great speaker and an even better general.


126 posted on 08/09/2005 2:11:42 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: leadpenny

Clarke should have been drummed out for his shenanigans in Bosnia.


127 posted on 08/09/2005 2:15:29 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw

Yeah, someone mentioned the stupid thing he did with the Russians but I wonder. Gen. Hugh Shelton would never talk about it. I mean, with a name like Wesley . . .


128 posted on 08/09/2005 2:18:11 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: tfecw

Wait a minute, it was Kosovo that he screwed up. The Apaches, the Russians, etc. What did he do in Bosnia?


129 posted on 08/09/2005 2:19:36 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Terabitten

If he was screwing a subordinate or the wife of a military man; that does not get swept under the rug. He his superior didn't relive him, he would wind up going down as well. The word of this kind of stuff gets around.


130 posted on 08/09/2005 2:22:30 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Sensei Ern

Who is Wilkes?

Same type of failure as a Navy CO running aground?

But TRADOC is "training" and tactics (runs schools), so what could be the "operational failure" of a four-star?

(Now, if Hillary were still in power ..... We KNOW she promoted Weasley Cluck after he assaulted Waco for them (his tanks and APC from Fort Hood were (illegally!) used in the assault.)


131 posted on 08/09/2005 2:22:46 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: Yasotay

Had you heard about the story I related?


132 posted on 08/09/2005 2:25:34 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

This guy was at Fort Hood about the same time.

http://www.ndia-mich.org/fpiv/bios/byrnes.htm


133 posted on 08/09/2005 2:26:23 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: kayak

Yea, got the notice much earlier...personal meaning not duty related...I am sure someone is bound to spill the beans before tomorrow is over.


134 posted on 08/09/2005 2:26:42 PM PDT by Neets (I)
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To: connectthedots
If he was screwing a subordinate or the wife of a military man; that does not get swept under the rug.

Yup, I listed that under the "exceptions." I'm curious, though, WaPo says that the IG was involved in the case. They don't normally get involved in sexual misconduct cases that I know of. Can you shed any light on that?

135 posted on 08/09/2005 2:27:14 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: leadpenny
My mistake It was Kosovo. I was talking about the hat trading with wanted war criminals thing.
136 posted on 08/09/2005 2:28:13 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: RetiredArmy
I may be mistaken, but I believe there are no permanent ranks above major general. When Douglas MacArthur completed his tour as Army Chief of Staff and went to the Philippines, he was reduced to two star rank. When WWII began, he was promoted (or reinstated at four star rank). The exception to this is five star rank, which is not used except in war. And I think Adm Raymond Spruance was given permanent four star rank.
137 posted on 08/09/2005 2:29:39 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: SLB
From AP:
Army Sacks Senior General for Misconduct

By ROBERT BURNS
The Associated Press
Tuesday, August 9, 2005; 5:11 PM

WASHINGTON -- In an extraordinary move, the Army sacked a four-star general who was the subject of a Defense Department investigation into alleged sexual misconduct, officials said Tuesday.

Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, commander of Army Training and Doctrine Command, was approaching retirement when the decision to relieve him of duty was made by the Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter Schoomaker.
Not looking good.
138 posted on 08/09/2005 2:30:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: tfecw

No doubt he was brought back because he was an embarrassment. Shelton probably gave sissy-boy Cohen and Clinton an ultimatum.


139 posted on 08/09/2005 2:32:47 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: connectthedots

I had forgot about it, but yes I did hear about it.


140 posted on 08/09/2005 2:34:55 PM PDT by Yasotay
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