Posted on 08/09/2005 7:41:36 AM PDT by SLB
Below is the release put on the Army website last night…..
Army Relieves General of His Command
August 8, 2005
On Aug. 8, the Chief of Staff of the Army directed the relief of Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes from his position as Commanding General, United States Army Training and Doctrine Command. The investigation upon which this relief is based is undergoing further review to determine the appropriate final disposition of this matter.
As the investigation into this is continuing, please discourage speculation from your Soldiers. LTG Jones will be the acting commander until LTG Wallace is confirmed as the new TRADOC commander.
Aside from prayer at all functions, there are prayer breakfasts and various social events surrounding Christian holidays, not including Christmas and Easter. For example, there are the formal dinings-in for St. Barbara (patron saint of artillery -- better be there if you're an artillery officer) and events planned for the Passion. There were a few more surrounding some other Catholic traditions, but I can't remember specifics. I just know they happened often because I was the one who arranged them.
You're probably right. If I get the story straight, he was due for replacement soon anyway, so a performance-related firing wouldn't make much sense.
You are right --- "personal."
Gay? Was he flat-out discharged or merely removed from command to sit at a desk until retirement?
"Gay?"
Highly doubtful. A wife and a couple of kids which could be a front, but that's an hard secret to keep for 50+ years esp when you start moving up into the 4 star command/political levels.
Maybe some kind soul will explain to you the difference in character/goals between a Pusher and a Soldier.
As you were.
Ummmmmmmmm, no. There was a far higher percentage of Christians in the military (or at least in the infantry units I was in) than on the outside.
Ping
The armor battalion at FT. Lewis, in '76 or '77, had a dining in. I wasn't there, but there was nothing religious about it, unless you consider strippers, one captain having intercourse with a stripper in the kitchen and another captain performing oral sex on another stripper in front of the rest of the battalion officers to be 'religious'.
The O'Club manager called the MP's and someone called the 9th Div commander, MG Cavasos, who showed up in his PJs and put and end to the 'festivities'.
The battalion commander was relieved he next day as were the two captains. The CPTs got article 15 punishment and the LTC basically kissed his career goodbye.
Things must be very different in the Air Force. There were all sorts of things - prayer breakfasts, chapel services, etc., that were maybe not "mandatory" but were "highly encouraged."
The Infantry has St. Maurice. Same story - you'd better be there if you're an infantry officer.
Ya know, there is an aspect of this story that has not been mentioned on the thread, as far as I can tell. That is, how and where was the General relieved? Was he brought to Washington and then relieved? Did the CofS or Vice CofS travel to Hampton Roads? Was his office sealed?
It will all come out and it will be dramatic, I suspect.
I agree with you there. 4 stars don't get relieved - they get retired quietly. Unless, of course, there is something really dramatic going on.
Even sexual misconduct, as long as it's not really bizarre (think live boy or dead woman) isn't generally enough to relieve a 4-star. They are generally told to resign before it gets to that point, in order to save the service (not the officer) from the disgrace of relieving them.
There's a HECK of a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
It is enough.
Other officials said the matter was investigated by the Defense Department Inspector General and the findings were now being considered by senior Army officials to determine whether further action should be taken.
That seems a bit unusual to me, that the IG should be investigating him. Makes me wonder if the "personal misconduct" was waste/fraud/abuse type stuff rather than sexual misconduct. I dunno.
Enough for a relief of command when the guy is already just a few months away from retirement? Not likely.
There are always exceptions - was the guy taking "vacations" to Thailand to sample young boys? Was he messing around with an enlisted soldier, or worse yet, and enlisted man's wife? Those sorts of things might lead to a relief for cause.
Generally speaking, though, if a general officer is getting some on the side, he gets a visit from another general officer and gets told to retire quietly for the good of the service. It's not absolute, iron clad, 100%, but I think that's a pretty safe rule, especially with an officer this close to retirement.
Right on the money about Wesley Clark. Yet, Fox News hires him as a "Contributor". When I see him on, I click to another channel. And when he pops up on my screen in the same space as Brit Hume, I almost gag.
You don't join the Army, even as an officer, to get rich, famous, or powerful. You certainly don't join the army to get laid.
Yup. You can be certain that the Pentagon reporters will shaking all the branches of the tree, today and this evening, in an attempt to get the story for the morning papers. Too many people know the story and someone will talk. This is as big as Singlaub or Edwin A. Walker, and they were both just two stars.
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