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Tancredo Is Too Late
CaptainsQuartersblog.com ^ | August 8, 2005 | Captain Ed

Posted on 08/08/2005 4:38:36 AM PDT by prairiebreeze

Rep. Tom Tancredo received a deluge of criticism after suggesting that the US might target Mecca in the event of a nuclear attack on America. According to the British newspaper, the Independent, radical Islam may have made that strategy moot. The cities of Mecca and Medina have suffered the fate of the Buddhist monuments of Afghanistan under the Taliban, and for much the same reasons:

Historic Mecca, the cradle of Islam, is being buried in an unprecedented onslaught by religious zealots. Almost all of the rich and multi-layered history of the holy city is gone. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades.

Now the actual birthplace of the Prophet Mohamed is facing the bulldozers, with the connivance of Saudi religious authorities whose hardline interpretation of Islam is compelling them to wipe out their own heritage.

It is the same oil-rich orthodoxy that pumped money into the Taliban as they prepared to detonate the Bamiyan buddhas in 2000. And the same doctrine - violently opposed to all forms of idolatry - that this week decreed that the Saudis' own king be buried in an unmarked desert grave.

A Saudi architect, Sami Angawi, who is an acknowledged specialist on the region's Islamic architecture, told The Independent that the final farewell to Mecca is imminent: "What we are witnessing are the last days of Mecca and Medina."

The voracious iconoclasm of Wahhabism and radical Islamists will do what Muslims feared the West wanted in the first place -- the destruction of the Prophet's cities. It won't take long before the Ka'aba stone itself will disappear as well. Once that happens, the Islamists will find themselves surrounded by a whole new class of enemies, enemies from the ranks of moderate Islam whose religion insists that Muslims must make at least one pilgrimage to Mecca in their lifetime.

The impulse against idolatry in radical Islam will provide its undoing. Already the House of Saud has bulldozed even more archaeological sites, such as the house of the grandson of the Prophet. Ironically, in the place of the buildings that can trace their origins to Mohammed and his family, the Wahhabists have erected modern buildings of steel and glass, turning Mecca from a touchstone of the faith into a bland, ordinary commerce center designed to pick the pockets of the Muslims who come on their hajj.

The destruction of Mecca and Medina will not come at the hands of the West, despite the suggestions of Tancredo and others. The Islamists have almost completed this task before any others could. In doing so, they have made themselves even more the enemy of moderate Muslims around the world and may have done mortal damage to the conservative wing of the House of Saud as well. The outrage over the the loss of the two most sacred cities in Islam will demonstrate the danger to Islam the Islamofascists present on their own. Just as in politics, the best policy for the West to pursue is to allow our enemy to complete their own destruction rather than interfere with it ourselves


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: holysites; koran; mecca; medina; muslims; tancredo; tonyorlandoanddawn
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Interesting bit.
1 posted on 08/08/2005 4:38:37 AM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: prairiebreeze

Nice spin.


2 posted on 08/08/2005 4:49:17 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: prairiebreeze
Here's a link to the original article:

The destruction of Mecca: Saudi hardliners are wiping out their own heritage

3 posted on 08/08/2005 4:49:18 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (America is profoundly grateful to our military. God bless our military and their families.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Tancredo has his finger on Islam's weakest point - make Muhammad a liar:

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca, the Kaaba] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

MECCA and MEDINA invulnerable:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:103] Narrated Abu Bakra:
The Prophet said, "The terror caused by Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter Medina and at that time Medina will have seven gates and there will be two angels at each gate guarding them."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:104] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "There are angels guarding the entrances (or roads) of Medina, neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will be able to enter it."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:105] Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "There will be no town which Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter except Mecca and Medina, and there will be no entrance (road) (of both Mecca and Medina) but the angels will be standing in rows guarding it against him, and then Medina will shake with its inhabitants thrice (i.e. three earth-quakes will take place) and Allah will expel all the nonbelievers and the hypocrites from it."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:7032] Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.

THIS IS NOT FROM AL-QAEDA!

THIS IS JUST A BIT OF WHAT ALL MUSLIMS, INCLUDING SO-CALLED MODERATES, SIGN UP FOR WHEN THEY SAY THE BISMALLAH, "THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET"!

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html
4 posted on 08/08/2005 4:53:18 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: prairiebreeze

What lunatics.


5 posted on 08/08/2005 4:53:21 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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To: prairiebreeze

ping


7 posted on 08/08/2005 4:57:31 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

One question, why is the Dajjal called the anti-Christ and not the anti-Muhammad?

Can you send me the Quran's version of the end times?


8 posted on 08/08/2005 5:08:02 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Good strategy!
Wipe it out yourself before anyone else can do it!
9 posted on 08/08/2005 5:10:47 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: prairiebreeze

While they're at it, they should put up some adult book stores and a couple of abortion clinics.


10 posted on 08/08/2005 5:12:50 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: tomahawk
What lunatics.

The original christian iconoclasts did the same, as did the Puritans under Cromwell, destroying all artwork and decoration in thousand year old churches.

There are lunatics everywhere.

So9

11 posted on 08/08/2005 5:20:39 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

OUCH!

You hurt my eye drums.


12 posted on 08/08/2005 5:21:58 AM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism)
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To: Servant of the 9

You're right.

Christians are just as bad as Muslims.


13 posted on 08/08/2005 5:22:53 AM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism)
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To: Skooz
You're right.

Christians are just as bad as Muslims.

We just need to keep a little perspective on our own 'nobility' while we exterminate them.

We are not fighting Islam because we are better than them, but because they attacked us and now they have to die.

So9

14 posted on 08/08/2005 5:32:58 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: jan in Colorado

Ping...here's a thread on the article I sent a few days ago..you should like the replies.


15 posted on 08/08/2005 5:36:14 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Servant of the 9
You're right.

After we have killed the Muslims for 9/11, we should exterminate Christians for Cromwell's regime. Or the Crusades. Or the Inquisition. Or Galileo. Or Jimmy Swaggart. Or whatever the latest revisionist anti-historical BS crap is spewed by historical illiterates to make them feel comfortable with their Christophobia.
16 posted on 08/08/2005 5:37:45 AM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism)
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To: Skooz
You're right.

After we have killed the Muslims for 9/11, we should exterminate Christians for Cromwell's regime. Or the Crusades. Or the Inquisition. Or Galileo. Or Jimmy Swaggart. Or whatever the latest revisionist anti-historical BS crap is spewed by historical illiterates to make them feel comfortable with their Christophobia.

You misunderstand completely.

Western Civilization is my civilization and I will do whatever is necessary to preserve it.
I am just honest enough to admit I am in favor of preserving it because it is mine, not because it is perfect.

So9

17 posted on 08/08/2005 5:47:08 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: prairiebreeze
They put their faith in icons...like holy moon rocks and certain sites...

Destroy their icons and they loose faith....if their god cannot protect his icons and his dwelling places...how powerfull is he really...?

his real power is oil and who it can buy... imo

18 posted on 08/08/2005 5:54:11 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: Servant of the 9

No. I understood completely.

You equated Christianity with the actions of Islam.

The two are incomparable. The enormous good conducted by Christianity over two millenia greatly dwarfs the few instances (loudly trumpted, expanded, and embellished by history ignoring anti-Christian bigots) where harm was been done by the adherents of the Christian faith.

The opposite is true of Islam. The little good it has done is greatly outweighed by the pervasive suffering and injustice it has perpetrated, and wishes to perpetrate, on the the world.

And, yes, we are better.


19 posted on 08/08/2005 5:55:26 AM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism)
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To: F15Eagle
It's highly unlikely that Mecca was anything but an out-of-the-way dustbowl back in the 7th Century, given its geography, and therefore not the site of Mohammed's blessed thuggery. It's also a safe bet that there aren't any objective non-Arab archaeologists on site to verify the historical finds mentioned in the article.

Put it all together and you have the usual Arab flummery.

I doubt the stone will disappear though, since that would destoy the lucrative tourist trade.

There's really only one thing certain; whatever happens, either through greed or religious zealotry, it will be someone else's fault -- namely, ours.

20 posted on 08/08/2005 6:06:29 AM PDT by browardchad
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