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Prices Fuel a Rebellion
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Posted on 08/07/2005 5:10:04 PM PDT by traumer

Drivers Tired of Paying More for Premium Gasoline Switch to Regular

For some people, it's hitting the big five-oh that really hurts -- that is, dropping $50 on a tank of gas. For others, it's just that relentless upward creep in prices that gets their attention.

Whatever the trigger, drivers pulling up to the pump in vehicles that ostensibly require high-grade gas are wondering if they really need the more expensive fuel or whether it's okay just to fill it up with regular. As gas prices soar, car owners increasingly are going for the cheaper stuff -- no matter how fancy their wheels. And station owners and oil companies are seeing the impact: Sales of premium and mid-grade gasoline are tumbling.

It's an age-old response, industry experts say, for drivers to switch from pricey, higher-octane formulations of gas to cheaper alternatives whenever gasoline prices rise substantially. Now, with prices stuck stubbornly high, oil experts wonder whether high-grade gas will go the way of the Studebaker.

"I foresee no serious decline in prices anytime soon, so the question is, will consumers' buying habits change permanently if the higher prices stay as they are," said Daniel F. Gilligan, president of the Petroleum Marketers Association, which represents independent filling stations. "Will it be more difficult to attract consumers back to the higher-octane fuels? I don't know."

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KEYWORDS: diesel; energy; gasprices; oil
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1 posted on 08/07/2005 5:10:05 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

it is cheaper to add the stuff to your own tank. They are trying to charge you 5 bucks for a buck of product


2 posted on 08/07/2005 5:13:48 PM PDT by dila813
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To: traumer

This is odd behavior. You only need the octane that the manufacturer recommends for the vehicle. Buying a higher grade will not help performance, but buying a lower one than recommended will. Price should have nothing to do with the buyer's decision.


3 posted on 08/07/2005 5:14:14 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: traumer

Just got back from the gas station -- noticed that diesel fuel was at 3.09 a gallon. Now, I haven't seen that before.


4 posted on 08/07/2005 5:15:05 PM PDT by mhx
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To: traumer

The media is pulling out all the stops to get people in a frenzy over gas prices. They love a crisis (Jimmy Carter must have been a dream). When gas went over $1 in 1977, the equivalent in today's dollars is $3.81/gallon. Not that I don't care about gas prices, but I don't see it as anything to scream about, either. The price of the car itself, the insurance, and maintenance cost a whole lot more.


5 posted on 08/07/2005 5:15:15 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: dila813

Yeah but if you don't bump the Octane the repair costs will put a real hurting on you.

TT


6 posted on 08/07/2005 5:15:37 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: traumer

If the oil companies continue to show sky rocketing profits, I think they will be investigated by Congress.


7 posted on 08/07/2005 5:15:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: traumer

don't worry, the oil companies will solve this problem - they will raise the price of regular, claiming "too many people have switched to buy regular, we are running low".


8 posted on 08/07/2005 5:16:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: mhx

Why is Diesel so high? It used to be 1/2 the price of Gasoline? Does anybody know?


9 posted on 08/07/2005 5:16:41 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Dog Gone
Price should have nothing to do with the buyer's decision.

Huh? (I was tempted to say "central planning perhaps" but I know that's not what you're implying... *\;-)

But price would follow perceived value, whether true or not.

10 posted on 08/07/2005 5:17:31 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Even at $10 a gallon, still beats walking!


11 posted on 08/07/2005 5:17:49 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (JFK once referred to Teddy as "the gay illiterate.")
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To: traumer

My supercharger requires that I burn 93 octane. I'd ruin the engine otherwise.


12 posted on 08/07/2005 5:17:54 PM PDT by 38special (SVT)
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To: A CA Guy

its the financial houses that need to be investigated for hedge fund and arbitrage activity in the futures market - that $10+ in the price of every bbl now. oil is the new "tech stock" for them.


13 posted on 08/07/2005 5:18:09 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: sionnsar
All I'm saying is that you need the grade that you need. Buying a higher grade than you need accomplishes nothing but emptying your wallet. Buying a grade below what you need will hurt your engine.

Price is irrelevant to making the decision of which grade you need for your vehicle. It is what it is.

14 posted on 08/07/2005 5:21:15 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Has anyone noticed the cost of shipping on goods from appliances to grocerys have gone up noticably as well? We are paying far more out of pocket to fill up our gas tanks that just the cost of driving.
And why has diesel fuel suddenly become more expensive than gasoline? The cost of refining diesel is much less and can be derived from lower grades of oil more economically than gasoline.
And a failed corn crop in the midwest because of drought will not help the ethanol industry.
We are one refinery disaster away from $5.00 gasoline.


15 posted on 08/07/2005 5:21:52 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: Dog Gone
Price is irrelevant to making the decision of which grade you need for your vehicle. It is what it is.

Got it.

16 posted on 08/07/2005 5:23:45 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: Dog Gone
Buying a higher grade will not help performance, but buying a lower one than recommended will.

I figured you probably didn't finish the sentence, and meant "hurt the engine," not "help performance." I had to do a double-take, though.

17 posted on 08/07/2005 5:26:34 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Dog Gone

You're absolutely right. I was buying the higher grade of gas, thinking I was doing my engine a favor. Since switching to the recommended grade, I've noticed my truck runs better.


18 posted on 08/07/2005 5:28:53 PM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: traumer

The cheapest grade of fuel works just as well as the spendy stuff. There are only a few auto's out there that require higher grades, and to all of the people that own them it isn't that big of a deal to pay a little more. A drop in the bucket.


19 posted on 08/07/2005 5:28:56 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: A CA Guy
Of course their profits are skyrocketing--the margin levels are relatively the same, but the sell price is much higher.

It's an over-regulated industry, which is never a good thing, and becomes a really really bad thing when supply is restricted. It's not like a new competitor can waltz in, or one company can decided to undercut another---in fact it's illegal!

We need somebody to investigate Congress as to why so many byzantine taxes and regulations have been placed on the engine of our economy!
20 posted on 08/07/2005 5:31:08 PM PDT by motzman (populism, socialism, communism---what's the difference?)
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