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What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?
The Post Chronicle | 8\07\05 | Patrick J Buchanan

Posted on 08/07/2005 6:25:03 AM PDT by RepublicNewbie

In the "Monkey Trial," 80 years ago, the issue was: Did John Scopes violate Tennessee law forbidding the teaching of evolution? Indeed he had. Scopes was convicted and fined $100.

But because a cheerleader press favored Clarence Darrow, the agnostic who defended Scopes, Christian fundamentalism -- and the reputation of William Jennings Bryan, who was put on the stand and made to defend the literal truth of every Bible story from Jonah and the whale to the six days of creation -- took a pounding.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevolist; enoughalready; ohnotagain; patbuchanan; sameolsameol; scopes
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To: RepublicNewbie

No design including "intelligent design" adherents can ever be called intelligent. Thus nothing could prove the evolution better than the existence of creationists, for they have not evolved.


21 posted on 08/07/2005 7:12:57 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Physicist

What is wrong with Pat's little synopsis/


22 posted on 08/07/2005 7:14:51 AM PDT by eddie2 (We're #1)
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To: RepublicNewbie
What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?

Ending a sentence in a preposition? Buchie is a fascist fool.

23 posted on 08/07/2005 7:14:57 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Vaquero
He better check with the Pope. He is out of order with the holy see.

Oh no. Didn't you hear? We have a new Pope now who takes time out of his busy day to dump on the ToE and opine against the corrupting influence of Harry Potter books.

24 posted on 08/07/2005 7:17:17 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Physicist
Show one closed system that evolves to ascending levels of intelligence or function. One. There are none.

Only one thing evolves -- ideas. And because we see apparent evolultion in the long biological record -- that means one thing. Some ideas are evolving and being implemented throughout biological history.

That is, G-d acts continually upon His creations.

25 posted on 08/07/2005 7:17:33 AM PDT by bvw
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To: longshadow; PatrickHenry
This op-ed piece is proof positive that Pat Buchanan doesn't know Jack Sh*t about Astronomy.

I would add science in general. What ignorance. What is worse, a self imposed ignorance.

26 posted on 08/07/2005 7:20:47 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Physicist

GMTA. :-)


27 posted on 08/07/2005 7:22:44 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: bvw
Show one closed system that evolves to ascending levels of intelligence or function. One. There are none.

The sun dumps a practically unlimited supply of energy on the planet every day. So much for the closed system.

Only one thing evolves -- ideas. And because we see apparent evolution in the long biological record -- that means one thing. Some ideas are evolving and being implemented throughout biological history.

Whatever, so long as you recognize that the above statement belongs in college-level Philosophy classes, and not high-school science classes.

28 posted on 08/07/2005 7:23:29 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber

IFAIC, doing science without a meta-physics is no science at all. Why do it? If you can't answer that question, you are at best a lemming. Lemmings do not do science.


29 posted on 08/07/2005 7:30:56 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Zeroisanumber
You can't even explain how the sun got there -- without an ideator to set the circumstance for it to be made, nor how the planets came to be and to revolve around it at their set distances. Those are ideations, not random chance.

The mechanisms and physics are MORE interesting -- imo -- when viewed from the stable meta-physical platform of accepting that there is G-d, Creator, and Maintainer.

30 posted on 08/07/2005 7:36:30 AM PDT by bvw
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To: R. Scott

Evolutionism is a cancer to knowledge. Evolutionists are definitionally incapable of recognizing intelligence. They claim to be created in their own image: a most unimpressive collection of matter.

Not surprisingly evolutionism is definitionally flawed: "A change in gene frequency over time." Even DEvolutionists believe in this! It only gets worse from here for evolutionism.

So the gatekeepers of higher ed are definitionally incapable of recognizing intelligence. Does anyone see a problem here?

Evolutionism is the answer to the fornicator. If your will to fornicate is strong enough, evolutionism and all its glory is yours.


31 posted on 08/07/2005 7:42:16 AM PDT by forgivenyeah (Evolutionism is a cancer to knowledge)
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To: RepublicNewbie

The "Darwinists" -- i.e. people who know something about biology and think that science education is important -- are afraid of having religious material insterted into science curricula.

Of course, why should we stop with just _one_ religion's idea of the creator? There are dozens, if not thousands to choose from: Osiris making the world by masturbating is a good one which would make a great link between sex ed and origin of life in bio class.

There are even made-up ones: http://venganza.org/

Religious people (thoughtful ones, at least) should also be afraid of this kind of muddle. If matters of faith are presented as matters of scientific fact, then if the "facts" are disproved, the faith is shattered.


32 posted on 08/07/2005 7:47:08 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: nhoward14
No. You have to admit you're wrong and stop arguing Satan's side of the argument, or else you are going to Hell.

LOL Good summary. I only occasionally post to these threads because I am informed that:

See Above Quote

33 posted on 08/07/2005 7:48:15 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: RepublicNewbie

They are afraid of kids asking "why/"


34 posted on 08/07/2005 7:55:33 AM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Trimegistus

Darwinist presents a theocracy as well. A god it makes. A nihilistic god of "it is what it is", and random process. No love, no mercy, nor even passion in that god. Totally wrong, but it appeals to the dim bulbs.


35 posted on 08/07/2005 7:58:19 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Trimegistus

Interesting, I am new to this argument, but it seems that one is not allowed to challenge "evolution" without getting smeared, there isn't a logical scientific defence of evolution anywhere on this page. Only a bunch of people yakking as if all is known, all is proven and shut the hell up. I am no creationist, as it were, I am probobly best defined as a DaVinci code Christian, but the Intelligent design people have a very valid point. Namely that the evolutionists can damn well PROVE their point or allow others to talk. The evolutionst side of this discussion need to act like what they claim to be, namely scientists anbd rational people, calling people knuckle draggers and misrepresenting their arguments for the sake of a laugh or two does not impress.


36 posted on 08/07/2005 8:04:22 AM PDT by ronnieb
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To: bvw
Darwinist presents a theocracy as well.

I think you'll find that only a small handful of christians (the dim bulb ones?) thnk that.
37 posted on 08/07/2005 8:05:30 AM PDT by toadthesecond
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To: RadioAstronomer

"Blessed are they who have been touched by His Noodly Appendage."


38 posted on 08/07/2005 8:09:38 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: bvw
Show one closed system that evolves to ascending levels of intelligence or function. One. There are none.

What closed system are you referring to?

39 posted on 08/07/2005 8:09:42 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: eddie2
So you're saying schools are doing a lot better job now than, say, back in the sixties and before when religon (philosophy) wasn't taboo?

Of course not!
When I was in high school – the early 60’s – science was taught as science and religion was taught as religion, in a comparative religion class. There was no big squabble with fundamentalists trying to force schools to teach religion as science.
40 posted on 08/07/2005 8:20:48 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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