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Thanks for the links.
I'm catching up on the plane crash threads.
My gut reaction is the Saudi's are making a show out of this high value target hunt.
After we're hit in the coming days/weeks....the Saudi's can say: "We've been doing all we can"...
I agree that it's a strange one!
>> Did you ever find out what happened? <<
Sure didn't. Will scan the local paper next week, but probably won't find anything.
Terror suspect in Turkey: I collaborated in the September 11 attacks
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
Lawia Sakra, the central suspect in last week's terror attempt in Turkey and one of the five most senior members of al-Qaida, met Mohammad Atta and supplied passports and money to terrorists in the United States, the Turkish daily Zaman reported on Monday.
Lawia Sakra, a suspected Syrian al-Qaida operative arrested in Turkey last week, claims he knew about the preparations for the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States, and even helped the terrorists. Sakra was arrested on suspicion of involvement in the latest attempted terror attack against Israeli tourists that was thwarted in Southern Turkey.
The Turkish newspaper Zaman published Monday details from the investigation conducted by Turkish security forces.
According to the probe, Sakra related that he supplied passports and money to some of the terrorists that were involved in the attacks in New York and Washington. He also claimed that he met the Egyptian Mohammed Atta, who is considered to be the commander of al-Qaida operations, and who flew the first plane into the Twin Towers.
Along with Sakra, Turkish police arrested last week some ten others suspected in the planning of last week's attempted attacks. Zaman reported that Sakra is an al-Qaida commander in Turkey, one of the five most senior members in the organization and an expert in destruction. He said he was not connected to the bombing in Sharm el-Sheik last month that killed 88 people.
Sakra is also a suspect in the 2003 attacks in Istanbul, in which 60 people were killed. Sakra allegedly assisted in the operations in attacks on two synagogues and on the British consulate, and in helping the bombers to flee the country.
While the other detainees connected to this matter are religious and pray while in jail, Sakra claimed that he does not pray.
Sakra was undergoing psychological treatment and taking anti-depressants when he was arrested, Zaman also reported, and following a psychiatric evaluation, it was decided to continue this treatment in prison.
Sakra was arrested last Sunday in the city of Diyarbakir, in southeastern Turkey, when he tried to board a flight to Istanbul. The police suspect that he underwent plastic surgery and tried to fly to Istanbul under Bedouin identity documents to carry out another attack. The police also suspect that he is still in contact with al-Qaida operatives, even after his arrest.
Last week, five cruise ships carrying more than 5,000 Israelis were diverted from Turkish ports because of intelligence reports warning of suspected attacks by al-Qaida. The Israeli government issued a warning to citizens that called on Israelis to avoid visits to the coastal strip of Turkey. The warning was lifted after the arrests.
After his arrest last week, Sakra yelled from the courthouse window, "I have no remorse. I planned to attack Israeli ships. If they come, my friends will attack them." He also yelled, "Allah Akbar," Arabic for 'God is great,' before police closed the window.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/612866.html
>>>Will scan the local paper next week, but probably won't find anything.
Just one of those 'things'... ;-)
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:NXEwcGymje0J:www.kokhavivpublications.com/editions/israel/2005/07/after-london-attacks-beginning-of.php+Head+of+Islamic+Movement+in+Amerika&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet
Interesting connection of the Nazi to the Muslims and why
7-7 happened in London.
Also other news sources......
Compilation RAFIDAN (1 - 9)
Al Salamu 'Alaykum,
Voici une compilation de 9 video de RAFIDAN sur l'affaire "Stoffel"
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=435RMTDD (Rafidan 1)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=36GGDWWB (Rafidan 2)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=43S3PHOU (Rafidan 3)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=24TPN15U (Rafidan 4)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=25F5HB8V (Rafidan 5)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=30USNZO0 (Rafidan 6)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=27QSL9L3 (Rafidan 7)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=438IZLW0 (Rafidan 8)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=31RKTOOK (Rafidan 9)
http://groups.msn.com/Battleforheartsandminds/videopicaudio.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=3330
Target locations are likely US interests in foreign countries, NY, DC, Chicago, LA and Seattle.
Just as was identified over the past year, the attacks in London may have been the tipoff to intiate these other attacks against the US. I'm trying to get a broader feel for this in the few days I have before I drop offline again.
Note the last paragraph and the info on LTTE.
granny
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH09Ak03.html
Middle East
Aug 9, 2005
Wanted: Aspiring martyrs
By Sudha Ramachandran
BANGALORE - Recruitment of potential suicide bombers, which has
generally been shrouded in silence and secrecy, appears to be going more
public. An Iranian publication recently carried an advertisement calling for
applications from aspiring "martyrdom seekers".
The advertisement calls for men and women to enlist with the "Lovers of
Martyrdom Garrison" and promises those who are picked that they will be
given "specific and specialized training". The aim it seems is "to achieve
all-round readiness against the enemies of Islam and the sacred Islamic republic
and to protect the foundations of Islam". To this end, "a martyrdom-seeking
division" would be set up for each province in the country.
All that aspiring candidates to the "Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison" need to
submit are two photographs of themselves, a copy of their identity cards, and a
filled-in application form. The advertisement even provides an address PO
Box 16535-664, Tehran where aspiring candidates to the "Lovers of
Martyrdom Garrison" should forward their application forms.
The publication in which the advertisement appeared is one that is produced
by an institute run by one of Iran's most conservative and radical clerics,
Ayatollah Mazbah Yazdi, believed to be a spiritual advisor of Iran's new
president, Mahmud Ahmedinejad, who, like its proponents, has described
suicide operations or "martyrdom operations" in glowing terms. In a speech
delivered some days after his election and broadcast on Iranian television,
Ahmedinejad said: "Is there art that is more beautiful, more divine and more
eternal than the art of martyrdom? A nation with martyrdom knows no
captivity. Those who wish to undermine this principle undermine the
foundations of our independence and national security. They undermine the
foundation of our eternity."
This is not the first time that recruitment of volunteers for suicide operations
has been done publicly and application forms for registration of aspiring
bombers distributed openly in Iran. A year ago, tens of thousands of
registration forms were distributed at local Islamic universities to aspiring
martyrdom seekers. This distribution of registration forms was preceded by
speeches in mosques where calls were made to young men and women to
register.
The application form for "Preliminary Registration for Martyrdom
Operations" requires the applicant to provide name, age, address and contact
details. It also requires the applicant to affirm his "preparedness for carrying
out martyrdom operations" and gives a choice of three targets: "occupiers of
the Islamic holy sites" (referring to the US occupation of Najaf, Karbala and
other places in Iraq), "occupiers of Jerusalem" (referring to Israel), and Salman
Rushdie, the author of Satanic Verses against whom Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini issued a fatwa or legal judgment for death in 1989.
The public enlistment of "martyrdom seekers" in Iran has drawn considerable
media attention. But such public enlistment of suicide bombers is not exclusive
to Iran. Militant organizations in other parts of the world extol martyrdom and
publicly solicit suicide bombers.
Catching Tigers
This is the case with the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), the
world-leader in suicide bombing. The martyrs' cult is very strong in the LTTE.
The honoring of Tiger martyrs - martyrs are described in LTTE propaganda as
gods to be worshipped - is an extremely effective recruiting tool. While fighters
are recruited all year round, enlistment shoots up during Martyrs' Week (
November 21-27) when the LTTE publicly honors its dead fighters, especially
those killed in suicide operations. Through songs and speeches, Tamil boys and
girls are called on to sacrifice their lives for the cause of the Tamil homeland and
many, moved by the propaganda, enlist.
But those who are recruited from the general public are taken on as fighters.
Some might aspire to be suicide bombers, which would qualify them for the top
rungs of the LTTE's martyr hierarchy, but suicide bombers are not directly
recruited from the public.
The LTTE has a separate suicide squad called the Karum Puligal or Black
Tigers. According to a source in the Research and Analysis Wing of India's
external intelligence agency, Black Tigers are recruited from among the LTTE's
fighters. These are boys and girls who have already shown extraordinary
commitment to the LTTE. The LTTE is extremely selective in recruiting
members for suicide operations. "Suicide operations especially against
high-profile targets are planned and put into effect with utmost secrecy," the
source said. "The identity of future suicide bombers cannot be revealed. This is
essential for the success of an operation."
So the LTTE motivates and glorifies martyrdom, especially that which comes
from suicide operations in public. It even recruits its ordinary fighters in public.
But the recruitment of suicide bombers is a highly secretive process.
Similar is the case with Hamas and Islamic Jihad (IJ), which celebrate
martyrdom in public to draw in more members. Funerals are occasions for these
groups not only to deliver speeches on martyrdom but also to recruit.
However, enlistment of suicide bombers or their registration is not done in
public. What sets apart the recruiting style of Hamas and IJ from an
organization like the LTTE is that in the former, functionaries approach
individuals who are not always already members of these groups to carry out
suicide operations.
In the case of Iran, it is unlikely that those who registered to become martyrs in
response to the advertisement will actually be sent on suicide operations,
especially against high-profile targets. The advertisement and application forms
should be seen as a propaganda exercise to signal that ordinary Iranian men and
women are willing to blow themselves up for a cause. The public registration of
these aspiring suicide bombers signals that they are willing to take the risks that
come with revealing their identity as potential suicide bombers.
While it is unlikely that those who responded to the advertisement and signed
on as martyrdom seekers - tens of thousands are said to have signed up - will
be dispatched on individual suicide missions, the possibility that some of them
at least will figure in operations to defend cities should the United States attack
Iran cannot be ruled out.
The value of the public recruitment of suicide bombers is not so much to enlist
volunteers as it is a means to send a message to potential occupiers of what lies
ahead.
Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in
Bangalore.
Asia Times
Can we hope the CIA has the PO Box next to this one, with a trap door for reaching over and pulling out the applications?
219 polio cases now in Indonesia
Deportees back in less than 3 weeks after raid
US frustration with Mexico growing
Mexican drug gangs use tour busses to smuggle
They pointed to the destruction of 150 churches and
the simultaneous construction of 200 mosques.
Cybercast News Service obtained video of the burning and desecrating
of the churches by ethnic Albanians, most of them Muslim.
The new mosques are funded by "Wahhabist nations," <<<<<
And the above - plus 30 or 40 million abortions and America is no more.
They have started overtaking the world.
Googling the PO BOX:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PO+Box+16535-664%2C+Tehran&btnG=Google+Search
I know what you mean.
I flick on the news each morning and cringe until it's clear that all is relatively well.
Spanish authorities ignored tip
A few days ago Spanish newspaper El Mundo reported that more than a year before the deadly March 11, 2004, train bombings, Spanish police received detailed information about the plans of a group of Islamic fundamentalists to attack Madrid. On February 12, 2003, the wife of Muhannad Almallah entered a Madrid police station and told officers that her husband was planning a car bomb attack in Madrid and that the likely targets were the towers of Plaza de Castilla, a modern and imposing structure located on one of Madrids busiest arteries. The woman told officers that her Madrid apartment was often visited by men who watched jihadi tapes and talked about carrying out attacks and identified many of them by name. Spanish authorities did not act.
13 months later they realized the mistake they made. Syrian national Muhannad Almallah, along with his brother Moutaz, is now considered one of the key organizers of the Madrid attacks. Spanish authorities acknowledge that without the "recruiting, indoctrination and direction of the Almallah brothers, the March 11 attacks possibly would not have occurred."
The other men identified by Mrs. Almallah are also key players in the 3/11 plot such as Serhane Abdelmajid Fakhet (the "Tunisian," believed to be one of the operational leaders of the cell) and Basel Ghalyoun (a Syrian accused of having materially put one of the bombs on a train on March 11).
The story, if confirmed, proves two things:
1- Spanish authorities did not pursue Islamist terrorists aggressively enough before 3/11. The Almallah incident is just one of the many "missed opportunities" stories in the Madrid bombings, much as the current "Able Danger" embarassment.
2- While the timing of the bombings might have been masterfully planned to make Spanish voters blame the Aznar government's support of the Iraqi war for the attacks, the carnage in Madrid had little to do with Iraq. In February 2003, when Mrs. Almallah reported her husband's murderous plans for the Spanish capital, the war in Iraq had not even begun.
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After all these months of chasing the word "Pelican", I think that i have found it:
Pelikan: Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle
OK, so we know they exist, but think about it, it also pulled Model Airplane clubs.
Which have long been expected to be used is dispensing bio-chemicals over large crowds.
It would be interesting to know if the outbreaks of disease around the world, are connected to model airplanes?
How I got there:
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sax49
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Czy program Pelikan Boeing`a jest nadal rozwijany?
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~~~This list of photos of what may be a latch on a tank???
Led me to the group and the above is under todays posts.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/pl.misc.militaria/browse_thread/thread/b966387e6ef0e11e/28d1c63bcac876d4?lnk=st&q=rafidan&rnum=10&hl=en#28d1c63bcac876d4
Note: the Model Club:
http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=Pelikan%20Boeing
~~~Pelikan Boeing aircraft:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:YXgfExJCeIYJ:www.tai.com.tr/en_menu2.aspx%3Fnode%3D78/89/92%26menu_id%3D5%26id%3D92%26img%3Dtai_ana_ust-program.swf+Pelikan+Boeing&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet
~~~This will lead to a program that mines for names and addresses in newsgroups and email lists, the rest I couldn't read.
http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=Czy%20program
~~~Vel's search: (starting point- Thanks to Vel.)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rafidan
Now, what do you think?
granny
141 arrested in terror swoop
By Rachel Sanderson
August 16, 2005
ITALY has arrested 141 people in a security swoop following the bombings in London and Egypt last month and remains at high risk from an attack by Islamic militants, the Interior Ministry said overnight.
Italy, the subject of several internet threats from purported Islamic militant groups, said it had begun expulsion procedures against 701 people.
"The latest evaluations ... confirm an ongoing high risk of a terrorist attack on our country," the ministry said in a statement after a parliamentary meeting on the findings from a series of nationwide raids in recent days.......
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16277334%255E1702,00.html
Agreed that DEBKA is a marginally credible source inasmuch as it is the public face of MOSSAD, and puts out whatever THEY want to the world to hear to further their goals. But of course it is in the best interests of Israel to keep us in their intelligence loop and to advise the Jews in this country of impending strikes.
'Zilla, any indications as to why the designated US targets were specifically chosen? Or is this list a shot in the dark?
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