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Bush: 'Guest worker' plan will benefit U.S. employers
Houston Chronicle ^ | Augist 3, 2005 | Michael Hedges

Posted on 08/05/2005 1:04:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest

The president, in a wide-ranging talk, gives a hint at how he'll pitch reform measures

GRAPEVINE - President Bush told a crowd of state legislators Wednesday that he will push immigration reform as beneficial for U.S. employers as well as foreigners looking for work.

He also made an impassioned pitch for Americans to stay behind the war in Iraq.

"Immigration reform is going to be an interesting subject when we get back to Washington" in September, said Bush, who plans to spend this month at his Crawford ranch.

He argued that his proposal for a "guest worker" program is good for employers and illegal immigrants who want a mutually beneficial relationship.

"If you are a willing employer (and) you have somebody looking for work and you can't find an American, there ought to be a legal way for you to employ that person," he said. "We'd rather have people coming in with a card that said, 'I'm a legal worker,' than trying to sneak across the border."

The president has proposed a system under which immigrants would be granted worker temporary worker status, after which they would have to leave the United States. Critics have called it a thinly veiled amnesty program. Immigration reform plans have stalled in Congress so far this year, and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist recently suggested a GOP push on the issue was more likely to happen next year.

Talking hours after the first reports that 14 U.S. Marines were killed in Iraq, Bush said, "The violence in recent days in Iraq is a grim reminder of the enemies we face. These terrorists and insurgents will use brutal tactics because they're trying to shake the will of the United States of America."

With polls showing that public support for continued military involvement in Iraq is eroding in the face of steady casualties, Bush relied on a familiar linkage of the war with the larger struggle against terrorism. He said Americans who died in Iraq and Afghanistan "lost their lives in a noble cause."

Speaking to 1,800 people at the American Legislative Exchange Council conference, Bush basked in recent legislative victories delivered by a GOP majority in Congress, including the Central American Free Trade Agreement and energy and highways legislation.

Bush said his priorities when Congress reconvenes after Labor Day will be immigration reform, making his tax cuts permanent, getting Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts confirmed and resurrecting his Social Security reform initiative.

Bush drew loud cheers by saying he strongly believed in private retirement accounts for workers under 55. "Now is the time to permanently fix Social Security," he said.

The event was held at a mammoth convention center where visiting legislators were introduced to Texas pride, including a large replica of the Alamo, a 10-foot-long space shuttle model and other state symbols.


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To: HKMk23

YOUR POST #59 HAULED ASS!!


221 posted on 08/05/2005 4:03:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (If there was a problem, yo! I'll solve it!!)
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To: Black Tooth

" I can not believe they are still repeating this. Do they have any idea how much this pisses people off?"

Obviously not because the idiot is STILL repeating it.


222 posted on 08/05/2005 4:04:54 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
He's completely forgotten the overwhelmingly negative reaction he received when this scheme was first proposed last year.

I swear, it's as if they just don't care what the law abiding citizens of this country think, or demand.

223 posted on 08/05/2005 4:05:05 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: johnb838

Thank you for sharing your father's coctail habits.


224 posted on 08/05/2005 4:07:50 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: U.H. Conservative
Yes. You hear about the inability to pick grapes. No such thing as Aussie wine. Too bad there's no mexico nearby.

Most Australian wine grapes are picked by machine.......90% of them to be exact.

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Grape Machine Harvesting and Wine Quality .............If I were to ask you what was probably the most important factor that has helped make high quality Australian wine so competitively priced in the world market. What would you say? Winery technology perhaps? Highly trained and skilled winemakers, maybe? The answer in part, and it is probably a major part at that, is…. machine harvesting. That's it. It is not widely known that well over 90% of Australia's grape crop is harvested by a machine.

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"California cannot make 90-point wines without the hand care of these individuals. We're not Australia, where many of the [farming operations] are done by machines. It's impossible to make the kind of quality wine we're making in California today without this labor force of hands."

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If you are going to use Australia as an example, pick a crop that is not machine harvested.

For non-machine-harvested crops Australian growers want migrant guest workers:

Australia Mulls Seasonal Migrant Labor Scheme .......The Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence, and Trade proposed the special admissions policy in a report issued in August, after agreeing with business leaders that access to "adequate" supplies of agricultural labor would benefit Australia.

225 posted on 08/05/2005 4:09:14 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
How many U.S. citizens are picking produce in California's Central Valley?

The question you need to ask is why U.S. Citizens are not picking the produce. Because the farms don't pay a decent wage!

A guest worker program would allow growers to legally contract for Mexican temporary workers.

We already have guest worker visas for agriculture work. You need to ask why the farms are not using the current Agriculture visa available to them.

Because, when a person has a visa, the farm is required to pay a certain wage and provide other amenities to the worker. Farms don't want to do that. It cuts into their profit.

Farms would rather hire illegals, and not have to worry about the laws, as they know the Feds won't enforce them.

Handing out more guest worker visas won't change that. Farms will continue to hire illegals, illegals will continue to cross the border and you’re back to square one.

226 posted on 08/05/2005 4:09:34 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector

That is a good post!


227 posted on 08/05/2005 4:11:07 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: johnb838

I mean "cocktails." (gads)


228 posted on 08/05/2005 4:11:48 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: balch3
Bush bashers are out in full force today.

He deserves to be bashed on this issue. Bush is more concerned about Iraq's borders then he is ours.

229 posted on 08/05/2005 4:13:38 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Marine Inspector
The question you need to ask is why U.S. Citizens are not picking the produce. Because the farms don't pay a decent wage!

Like others have said, this isn't about picking vegetables. Look at LA, and many of our cities. They are flooded with illegal aliens, and none of them are picking fruit.

230 posted on 08/05/2005 4:14:47 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

This Guest workers program will not work because our government will not force these guest's to return to thier countries of origin.


231 posted on 08/05/2005 4:16:26 PM PDT by puppypusher
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To: balch3
Bush bashers are out in full force today.

I don't mean to be personal here, or get into a fight, but that statement sounds liberal and something a Clinton supporter would say.

It seems everything has been turned upside down.

Most the comments here I have found justified and credible.

232 posted on 08/05/2005 4:17:33 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Polybius
1. Establish what "guest workers" we actually need or do not need in agricultural and non-agricultural sectors.

The labor department already does that.

2. Write the quotas of the law to reflect those needs.

The labor department already does that.

3. Isuue the Guest Worker Program legal permits.

The State Department already does that

4. Allow a 90 day amnesty period for all ilegal workers who did not get a permit to leave the U.S. without any legal consequences.

NO AMNESTY

5. Ninety days after the Guest Worker Program is enacted , have surprise, random inspections of businesses by Federal law enforcement agencies which would require documentation of a legal Guest Worker permit or Green Card or proof of U.S. citizenship for all workers.

That’s already in the law. What makes you think the Feds will enforce a law they have failed to enforce for over a decade.

6. Illegal workers would be deported.

That’s already in the law. What makes you think the Feds will enforce a law they have failed to enforce for over a decade.

7. Employers would be subject to a $50,000 fine and/or 30 days in jail for every illegal worker discovered.

That’s already in the law. What makes you think the Feds will enforce a law they have failed to enforce for over a decade.

233 posted on 08/05/2005 4:17:50 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Polybius
This is my point exactly. Many of the crops Australia does by automation, we still do by hand. Hence the need for guest workers is vastly overstated.
234 posted on 08/05/2005 4:19:26 PM PDT by U.H. Conservative
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

"Georgie is not going to give my country away."

Ya want to bet? He already has!


235 posted on 08/05/2005 4:24:21 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Black Tooth
"Don't worry mi amigo, we'll just call the new amnesty a

'guest worker' program. My peons are so stupid, they'll buy it!"


236 posted on 08/05/2005 4:31:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: chris1
"- when your ranch is overrun with illegals, will you still feel getting your toilet cleaned for dirt wages was worth it????"

Aw c'mon!

Surely you understand the when Jorge retires to the 'ranch', his homestead will be equipped with the best security that the American taxpayers can buy. Namely hi-tech perimeter security, helicopters, and a cadre of highly trained SS watchdogs with M4 carbines ready to pounce at the mere threat of an interloper. He'll sleep soundly.

It's a shame that the same can't or won't be said for the unfortunate citizens, ranchers and property owners that currently reside, and who are under criminal assault in the border regions of the USA.

/jasper

237 posted on 08/05/2005 4:32:19 PM PDT by Jasper ( Craigellachie, Stand Fast!)
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To: chris1

6. Reality is known as Doom and Gloom on FR.


238 posted on 08/05/2005 4:34:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: chris1

This issues causes me to expend ammo at the range.


239 posted on 08/05/2005 4:35:32 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT tHis sweLl tajlYne oN eBay qith chngE I fond in meye soFa)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Hmmm

Just thought of something.. if the Army is having so much trouble reaching it's recruiting goals, why not take these Men who are crossing the borders to do jobs that Americans won't do (it's sarcasm), and put them in the field in Iraq.

If they want to come work in the land of the free and home of the brave, let them PROVE it with a 2 years stint in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.

Then offer them the chance to become citizens.

Ok yeah it does sound silly, but it would certainly solve a manpower shortage problem and .. well the Government could pay them 2.00 per hour to do the job and get a bargain at the same time.

After all, isn't this what they say US Employers want?


240 posted on 08/05/2005 4:35:55 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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