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Bush: 'Guest worker' plan will benefit U.S. employers
Houston Chronicle ^ | Augist 3, 2005 | Michael Hedges

Posted on 08/05/2005 1:04:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest

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To: chris1
Bush could really go jump in the river on this. He is wrong and making matters much worse. Shame shame shame.

I agree. I'm also starting to think that he's implementing daddy's 1000 points of light. If he gets his way, Canada and America's standard of living will swirl down the toilet, while 'the powers that be' will live like medeival lords. Don't ask about the poverty stricken people south of us : (

361 posted on 08/06/2005 9:14:52 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: A. Pole
Why savings? It makes tham less competitive with the Chinese prison labor.

Ooops, someone forgot the sarcasm tag ;-)

How about the "carrot and stick" ploy? If you volunteer for working the fields, you will have money put into a savings account. If you do well and cooperate, you will also get a good job recommendation upon your release. If you choose not to participate, or screw up your assignment, expect to spend every lasting minute of your sentence behind bars.

It could work, and perhaps even rehabilitate certain types of criminals. We won't know unless we try.

362 posted on 08/06/2005 9:27:06 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Polybius
As soon as you hammer employers with a $50,000 fine for each illegal alien caught in his business,

I agree, but that will never happen. We have a better chance of getting Congress to deport all illegals, before they start putting businesses out of business.

363 posted on 08/06/2005 10:32:02 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
As soon as you hammer employers with a $50,000 fine for each illegal alien caught in his business,

I agree, but that will never happen. We have a better chance of getting Congress to deport all illegals, before they start putting businesses out of business.

With a Guest Worker program designed to allow businesses to acquire the labor that they truly need and cannot get out of U.S. residents, there is no reason for a business to claim that it needs to break the law in order to survive.

If they hire illegal aliens rather than legal Guest Workers to save themselves some bucks, then they should be treated as any other law breaker.

If you cook your company books to save $20,000 in income taxes, the Feds would not think twice about destroying your business.

When Martha Stewart got caught breaking the insider trading laws, the Feds didn't think twice about delivering a body blown to her company.

My proposal, as outlined in Post 193, would identify the labor shortages that legitimately need to be filled, provide a process to acquire legal Guest Workers to fill those jobs, give a grace period for everybody to "get with the program" and then, after the grace period, apply draconian penalties on any employer that refuses to obey the law.

If we take it for granted that companies cannot violate the law with impunity in regards to tax evasion, fraud, safety violations, licensing, insider trading, building permits, etc., etc., why should we take it for granted that companies should be allowed to violate the law with impunity in regards to hiring illegal aliens?

I spent three weeks travelling in the Yucatan last month and, as a Spanish-speaker, I had a long discussion with a Mexican business owner about all sorts of topics from Iraq to illegal aliens. (He was not too keen on invading Iraq but he did admit that many Islamic fanatics deserved whatever they got.)

I pointed out to him that Mexico has strict laws prohibitting non-Mexicans from working in Mexico and enforce those laws.

He agreed but put the blame squarely back on the U.S. by saying, "True. But the Americans send mixed signals. The Americans say that they don't want illegal aliens but then they look the other way when illegals are hired and even give them driver's licenses! No wonder Mexicans keep going there."

The solution is:

1. Write the law.

2. Have a grace period to allow compliance with the law.

3. Vigorously enforce the law with draconian fines.

4. Allow law-breaking companies to be destroyed as an example to others.

364 posted on 08/06/2005 11:21:34 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: TheSpottedOwl
you do well and cooperate, you will also get a good job recommendation upon your release.

Good job? Now way. Make as hard as possible for the released convicts to get honest jobs. That way will will commit other crimes and will be back to provide cheap labor. We need to be tough in order to compete in the global economy!

365 posted on 08/06/2005 2:01:17 PM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! ")
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To: A. Pole
Good job? Now way. Make as hard as possible for the released convicts to get honest jobs. That way will will commit other crimes and will be back to provide cheap labor. We need to be tough in order to compete in the global economy!

Lol! I was talking about the criminals that are left, after the illegals are deported :-)

On a somber note, even people who have never had a parking ticket, have trouble finding work. I do love your sarcastic remarks, and I'm with you about what's going on, but this could work. Only if the government isn't involved though.

366 posted on 08/06/2005 5:07:52 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Borax Queen

Post #73 - BTTT


367 posted on 08/06/2005 10:43:50 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: NRA2BFree
How many heads of lettuce do we have in America, and what will those people do when picking season is over??? Go on welfare???

Either welfare or find another job "Americans don't want to do", which if you listen to our government today is just about every occupation.

368 posted on 08/07/2005 5:27:55 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

" President Bush told a crowd of state legislators Wednesday that he will push immigration reform as beneficial for U.S. employers as well as foreigners looking for work. "

Nice to know our President is interested in assisting sweatshops and foreigners.

Who the hell does he think elected him?

W is turning out in his second term to be almost as incompetent as his father was in his first term.


369 posted on 08/07/2005 5:48:44 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Who the hell does he think elected him?

Apparently employers and foreigners because that's all he appears to want to represent.

Somebody in the GOP needs to set his priorities straight but after the CAFTA vote I'm not sure that's going to happen anytime soon.

370 posted on 08/07/2005 6:01:05 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bayourod

ping.


371 posted on 08/07/2005 6:04:46 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: B4Ranch

That one is great. Been smiling all morning. To bad it's probably right on the dime.


372 posted on 08/08/2005 9:18:04 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Polybius

And the excuse for the 97% of illegals that never see a farm?


373 posted on 08/08/2005 10:32:51 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Die_Hard Conservative Lady

Die_Hard Conservative Lady,

Excuse my ignorance, but what does "bttt" mean?


374 posted on 08/08/2005 7:03:12 PM PDT by WestSylvanian
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To: jb6

"Too bad it's probably right on the dime."

That's the best/worst part of that damn map!


375 posted on 08/08/2005 9:54:49 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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