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The Rubber Meets the Road: Stanley Fish and Universal Absolutes
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | August 4, 2005 | Charles Colson

Posted on 08/05/2005 7:57:33 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

One of America’s foremost postmodern academics, Dr. Stanley Fish, dean emeritus at the University of Illinois and professor at Duke, has come up with an ingenious idea for teaching college students to write better. Here’s how he describes it in the New York Times:

“On the first day of my freshman writing class I give the students this assignment: You will be divided into groups, and by the end of the semester each group will be expected to have created its own language, complete with a syntax, a lexicon, a text, rules for translating the text and strategies for teaching your language to fellow students.”

A little drastic, maybe? Dr. Fish’s students often think so—at least at first. As he writes, “You can imagine the reaction of students who think that ‘syntax’ is something cigarette smokers pay, guess that ‘lexicon’ is the name of a rebel tribe inhabiting a galaxy far away, and haven’t the slightest idea of what words like ‘tense,’ ‘manner’ and ‘mood’ mean. They think I’m crazy. Yet 14 weeks later—and this happens every time—each group has produced a language of incredible sophistication and precision.”

The key to this unusual but effective approach is simple. Fish explains that the students have to learn that “a sentence is a structure of logical relationships.” To teach them this, he makes them concentrate on form rather than content—hence the constructing of languages. They need to understand that a language—any language, real or made up—must follow certain rules and have order, and that before they can clearly say what they want to say, they have to know and be able to use those rules.

Sounds like a good, solid approach to me. The odd thing is that Dr. Stanley Fish is the very last person I would have expected to be talking about the value of rules and structure.

Fish, you see, is one of America’s most-outspoken postmodernists. He’s well-known for arguing against the existence of what he calls “universal standards of judgment.” He believes that there is no such thing as truth, and that it could not be knowable if there were, and that abstract concepts and principles only get in the way of clear thinking. In fact, right after September 11, as I write in my new book, The Good Life, he warned people not to call terrorists “evil.” His argument was that nations must “fall back on . . . the record of aspiration and accomplishment that makes up their citizens’ understanding of what they live by and live for,” instead of the “illusory justification of universal absolutes to which every party subscribes . . . but all define differently.”

So my question to Dr. Fish would be this: If he really believes all of this, then how can he bring abstract concepts and principles into the classroom? If “universal absolutes” are “illusory,” how can they be the best way to teach his students to write proper English?

Isn’t it interesting how the practical, everyday situations we all face show us what is reality and what is really just illusion? When the rubber meets the road, even one of our leading postmodernists has to admit that there just might be something to those universal, absolute truths he spent his entire professional career denouncing. The problem with a false worldview, you see, is that you cannot live with it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: breakpoint; highereducation; stanleyfish
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1 posted on 08/05/2005 7:57:34 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 08/05/2005 7:58:51 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (God Bless 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, Heroes Proved.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

And then, thanks to this dumb arse idea, the students will graduate out into a dog eat dog world, and be treated for the naive misguided idjits they have become.

Social experiments in stupidity by the leftists, which destroy lives, knows no bounds.


3 posted on 08/05/2005 8:04:13 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Mr. Silverback
He believes that there is no such thing as truth

If there is no truth, then why believe anything he has to say?

4 posted on 08/05/2005 8:11:11 AM PDT by mjp
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To: Mr. Silverback
He believes that there is no such thing as truth, and that it could not be knowable if there were, and that abstract concepts and principles only get in the way of clear thinking.

Whereas I believe that truth is the only absolute.  Even if God himself were to somehow have a beginning and an end, the truth could not be destroyed or changed.

 In fact, right after September 11, as I write in my new book, The Good Life, he warned people not to call terrorists “evil.”

Here we go again... why do so many college professors have sh*t for brains?

5 posted on 08/05/2005 8:17:32 AM PDT by MarineBrat (We are taxed twice as much by our idleness. -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MarineBrat

Let them all learn Eubonics (sp) ...a guarenteed job enhancer


6 posted on 08/05/2005 8:23:18 AM PDT by spokeshave (Strategery + Shardenfreuden = Stratenshardenfreudenery)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Hmm. Anyone know if this is author Leslie Fish's dad? I'm detecting certain philosophical similarities between the two.


7 posted on 08/05/2005 9:29:18 AM PDT by Starter
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To: spokeshave
Let them all learn Eubonics (sp) ...a guarenteed job enhancer

The unholy marriage of eugenics and ebonics. I'm sure there's a really good smarty pants remark in there somewhere, but I can't think of one that wouldn't get me banned.

8 posted on 08/05/2005 9:41:32 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: Mr. Silverback

It's a shame that the students hadn't learned about sentence structure prior to attending college.


9 posted on 08/05/2005 10:19:09 AM PDT by technochick99 (firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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