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Two Charged in Pentagon Information Leak
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/4/05 | Mark Sherman - AP

Posted on 08/04/2005 4:21:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: blogblogginaway
"The facts alleged today tell a story of individuals who put their own interests and their own views of foreign policy ahead of American national security,"
Is this about
1) Franklin and the AIPAC employees
2) The CIA and State Department Arabists
3) The folks who leaked the National Security Estimate on the Iranian nuclear program?
21 posted on 08/04/2005 11:30:12 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: Spirited
But we are more afraid of the "anti-semite" label than of any other words on earth. That prevents us from doing what is right and even upright for ourselves.
What is right and upright?
Following the Islamist or Arabist agenda?
22 posted on 08/04/2005 11:31:18 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: steveegg

Afghanistan?


23 posted on 08/04/2005 11:33:18 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: elfman2
That Israel is the tip of the spear of Western values in the Middle East. A

Well, after poorly thought -out operations like this, it's easy to wonder exactly where that spear is pointing.

24 posted on 08/05/2005 6:45:56 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: PhiKapMom

It is hard to blame Israel given their fragility as a nation - in their place I might do the same in the national interest.

That said however, no great nation can allow such behaviour to go unpunished when directed against it (even from an ally and the only fitting sentence should be capital).

While Israel see themselves as an ally of the US which would never knowingly hurt the key US interest so did Britain, yet their carelessness of western secrets cost lives in the Burgess-Maclean scandals. If allied spies get lighter sentences more allies will spy.


25 posted on 08/05/2005 7:00:01 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: RasterMaster

Afghanistan isn't exactly the Middle East.


26 posted on 08/05/2005 7:02:44 AM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: rmlew

Plainly, what is right is following an American agenda. And IF they are guilty, an approporiate punishment.


27 posted on 08/05/2005 7:04:20 AM PDT by notigar
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To: Androcles
"Well, after poorly thought -out operations like this, it's easy to wonder exactly where that spear is pointing."

So you’re accusing Israel of promoting regressive Islamic-like foreign values and tyranny in the West? I’d like to see that claim supported.

28 posted on 08/05/2005 7:09:29 AM PDT by elfman2 (This space is intentionally left blank)
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To: veronica

Do you have any additional information to add?


29 posted on 08/05/2005 7:13:51 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Androcles

You echo my position exactly. On the one hand, as a supporter of democracy and as a Jew, I have great sympathy for Israel. On the other hand, as a Jew, I also have great respect for the universality of the law and its necessity, and the importance of a culture of law.

Pollard can continue to rot in jail. Period.


30 posted on 08/05/2005 7:33:31 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: rabidralph

The stories here have changed so much, from (1) CIA/State Department/FBI Arabists to (2) bungling Franklin to (3) two out-of-control AIPAC employees, that I don't think we will see much comment until the case is presented in court.


31 posted on 08/05/2005 7:39:32 AM PDT by notigar
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To: NormsRevenge

This is the second Israeli related article that has totally ticked me off this week. Condi better have a "nice talk" with Sharon and the Israeli's. They just might find themselves sitting alone is a sea of Palestinians who want to kill them. Without U.S. support, they would be erased from this earth.
Time to remind them of that!


32 posted on 08/05/2005 8:47:54 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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The Bush administration has greatly increased foriegn aid spending over what Clinton spent because it is in America's global interest to do so.
While Israel used to be the number one recipient of foreign aid assistance in gross dollar terms, Muslim nations now get a much larger share of US spending on foreign aid.
Isreal gets about $2.62 billion while Iraq gets $18.44 billion in foreign aid and Afghanistan gets $1.77 billion. Egypt also gets $1.83 billion and among the top 15 nations receiving foreign aid are also Kazakstan, Pakistan, Turkey, Sudan, and Indonesia.


33 posted on 08/05/2005 8:52:22 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: BushisTheMan

Well, easy with the disappearing off the face of the earth business. I am certain Israel would find ways to survive without us.
And I don't think the spying is the worst thing in the world. We obviously do it to them. But we also have the same duty to punish it when found out, as it seems is happening now.


34 posted on 08/05/2005 8:55:53 AM PDT by notigar
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To: BushisTheMan

Where do ya think Reagan got his Trust But Verify from? ;-)


35 posted on 08/05/2005 9:06:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: notigar

God will not permit Israel to disappear. Period.


37 posted on 08/05/2005 9:53:43 AM PDT by murrie
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To: NormsRevenge

Unless there are some hidden facts, this case is BS from top to bottom.

It's about the type of leaks that go on every day in Washington or the NY Times and Washington Post would have bake sale announcement on their front page.

It's also about entrapment.

I confess, under the same circumstances, I too would be in the dock. And I'm guessing so would many of you with minor change in characters.

A Pentagon analyst- who by the way is not a Jew- believes that Iran is a threat that is not taken seriously by the Administration. He commiserates, with facts, with those who share his concerns.

When the FBI catches him he agrees to entrap the others.

He tells them of an imminent danger- deemed classified- to US and Israeli assets in Iraq.

They in turn, call a reporter, THE ADMINISTRATION, and the Israelis to warn of the plot and danger. To save lives.

Gotcha.

Imagine if a Canadian Government official knew about the forthcoming attack on 9/11 but for some reason his Government was refusing to share the info with the US. He tells you. He also tells you the information is classified in Canada and you can both get in trouble if you pass it on.

Do you pass it on?

I DO.


38 posted on 08/05/2005 9:54:26 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Tacis
We spy on them, they spy on us, we spy on the Brits, they spy on us. It is the game that is played. Friends are spying on friends. They always have. It will never end. Your friend today, might be your enemy tomorrow or vise-versa.
39 posted on 08/05/2005 10:06:08 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The government and courts are stealing your freedom & liberty!)
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To: Sabramerican

Well, you are leaving out the part where the AIPAC employees (allegedly) lied to the FBI about Franklin and what he told them and passed to them. That is a big no-no.

Also, individual employees don't get to decide who knows what. That is why they sign agreements when they start working there. What happens when we have 50 Franklins running around, doing what they each think is best?


40 posted on 08/05/2005 10:07:06 AM PDT by notigar
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