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President Confuses Science and Belief, Puts Schoolchildren at Risk
American Geophysical Union ^ | 2 August 2005 | American Geophysical Union

Posted on 08/04/2005 10:31:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

WASHINGTON - "President Bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts America's schoolchildren at risk," says Fred Spilhaus, Executive Director of the American Geophysical Union. "Americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world. It is essential that students on every level learn what science is and how scientific knowledge progresses."

In comments to journalists on August 1, the President said that "both sides ought to be properly taught." "If he meant that intelligent design should be given equal standing with the theory of evolution in the nation's science classrooms, then he is undermining efforts to increase the understanding of science," Spilhaus said in a statement. "'Intelligent design' is not a scientific theory." Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

"Scientific theories, like evolution, relativity and plate tectonics, are based on hypotheses that have survived extensive testing and repeated verification," Spilhaus says. "The President has unfortunately confused the difference between science and belief. It is essential that students understand that a scientific theory is not a belief, hunch, or untested hypothesis."

"Ideas that are based on faith, including 'intelligent design,' operate in a different sphere and should not be confused with science. Outside the sphere of their laboratories and science classrooms, scientists and students alike may believe what they choose about the origins of life, but inside that sphere, they are bound by the scientific method," Spilhaus said.

AGU is a scientific society, comprising 43,000 Earth and space scientists. It publishes a dozen peer reviewed journal series and holds meetings at which current research is presented to the scientific community and the public.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; intelligentdesign; scienceeducation
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To: saFeather

***1) The theory of evolution makes no claims regarding the origins or development of the universe in general,.***

No? Is not the questions assumed, "What is the cause of evolution?"


***2) Current theory of evolution would quite specifically deny that species evolve randomly,***

If there is no design then everything is by chance - you can't esape that.



***No, because scientifically the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. ***

Is that not, in a larger sense, what science is doing? Seeking to understand the nature of the universe and, by implication, whether it is 1. created, 2. self-creating or 3. eternally existant?

Your burden of proof does not work in this situation because you are giving priority to opinions 2 & 3.


61 posted on 08/04/2005 10:59:50 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Puppage

I thought the president's physical conditioning was putting America's schoolchildren at risk? These people need to make up their minds.


62 posted on 08/04/2005 11:00:20 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 290 names.
See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

63 posted on 08/04/2005 11:01:32 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Maceman
BTW, most students in this country attend state operated schools.

What part of the curriculum in those schools is independent of counsel by government agents?

Do you advocate eliminating the public school system?

64 posted on 08/04/2005 11:01:51 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Are you telling us scientists are ignorant of history?


65 posted on 08/04/2005 11:03:49 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: oldleft

That's a informal logical fallacy, argument ad ignoratium: Concluding/assuming that something is true (say, evolution) because it cannot be disproved. Assuming that something must be false (evolution) because it can't be proven, same thing.
The Greeks thought there were cyclops and other large strange beasties upon unearthing dinosauer bones.
I'm going with Paschal's wager, and Devo and "Mexican Radio".


66 posted on 08/04/2005 11:04:11 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Puppage

Telling them that ID is science is lying to them. But hey, lying is par for the course in some quarters.


67 posted on 08/04/2005 11:05:12 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: TheBigB

Einstein was wrong ~ God not only plays dice with the universe, He tosses them where He can't see them!


68 posted on 08/04/2005 11:05:19 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah
In fact, they didn't have phone books in the 1st century ~ at least not here at any rate.

Heck, they didn't even have CALLER ID!

At least, that's my theory.

69 posted on 08/04/2005 11:05:33 AM PDT by bobhoskins
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To: Right Wing Professor
I want to hear a hypothesis from the ID crowd. Testable, with terms defined and capable of being observed, and falsifiable. That is the standard of a scientific hypothesis.
70 posted on 08/04/2005 11:06:31 AM PDT by airforceF4
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To: Right Wing Professor

Dude! The King is alive. I saw him leaving a flying saucer after his alien abductors released him.


71 posted on 08/04/2005 11:07:13 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: muawiyah

Stephen Hawking already weighed in saying that, "All the evidence shows that God is indeed an inveterate gambler." :o)


72 posted on 08/04/2005 11:07:57 AM PDT by TheBigB (Never insult seven men if you're only holding a six-gun.)
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To: hawkaw
Theories are not judged simply by their logical compatibility with the available data.

Hey, the Global Warming junkies seem to get by on it.

Your hardline approach to the Scientific Method is commendable, but claiming that the scientific community relies solely on "independent empirical testability" is naive.

73 posted on 08/04/2005 11:08:34 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Right Wing Professor
And the risk of teaching first graders that Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy Has a Roommate?

And about Gloria Goes to Gay Pride Parade?

74 posted on 08/04/2005 11:08:43 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: Puppage
Like hell it does. By telling students there are different views about evolution it can only add to their education.

Can we also teach astrology as a viable theory?

75 posted on 08/04/2005 11:09:21 AM PDT by va4me
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To: Puppage
So pointing out that we don't usually decide school curricula according to the misbeliefs of a substantial fraction of the population is grasping at straws?

A substantial fraction of Americans think the population of the US is between 1 billion and 3 billion. Should we teach that in school as an alternative to the Census bureau numbers?

76 posted on 08/04/2005 11:09:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
I think I understand religion and some of the different ideas for different society's gods. I just wonder what the liberals consider to be their "god"?
77 posted on 08/04/2005 11:10:32 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: Maceman
I am unable to lay my finger on that section of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government any role whatsoever in influencing or attempting to determine education curricula.

I think Jimmy Carter created it in the 1970's. I don't understand why we can't get rid of the Education Department.

78 posted on 08/04/2005 11:10:53 AM PDT by va4me
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To: Right Wing Professor
And therein lies the problem ~ the Darwinians transfer it to another planet, even though there's already evidence it's out there floating around in rocks and dust in great profusion, and making its way without the need for planets (or "deep gravity wells").

Panspermia does not make the mistake the Darwinians make of assuming (with evidence) that all life on Earth arises from a single source, or that it only arose once.

You do realize the single source, one-time-only hypothesis in the current paradigm is rather religious in its scope.

Actually, its a faith-based concept for which there is not the slightest evidence of any kind.

79 posted on 08/04/2005 11:10:58 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: OldFriend
And the risk of teaching first graders that Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy Has a Roommate?

The fact that we teach them one sort of rubbish already is not an argument for teaching them another sort of rubbish.

80 posted on 08/04/2005 11:11:01 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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