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President Confuses Science and Belief, Puts Schoolchildren at Risk
American Geophysical Union ^ | 2 August 2005 | American Geophysical Union

Posted on 08/04/2005 10:31:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

WASHINGTON - "President Bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts America's schoolchildren at risk," says Fred Spilhaus, Executive Director of the American Geophysical Union. "Americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world. It is essential that students on every level learn what science is and how scientific knowledge progresses."

In comments to journalists on August 1, the President said that "both sides ought to be properly taught." "If he meant that intelligent design should be given equal standing with the theory of evolution in the nation's science classrooms, then he is undermining efforts to increase the understanding of science," Spilhaus said in a statement. "'Intelligent design' is not a scientific theory." Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

"Scientific theories, like evolution, relativity and plate tectonics, are based on hypotheses that have survived extensive testing and repeated verification," Spilhaus says. "The President has unfortunately confused the difference between science and belief. It is essential that students understand that a scientific theory is not a belief, hunch, or untested hypothesis."

"Ideas that are based on faith, including 'intelligent design,' operate in a different sphere and should not be confused with science. Outside the sphere of their laboratories and science classrooms, scientists and students alike may believe what they choose about the origins of life, but inside that sphere, they are bound by the scientific method," Spilhaus said.

AGU is a scientific society, comprising 43,000 Earth and space scientists. It publishes a dozen peer reviewed journal series and holds meetings at which current research is presented to the scientific community and the public.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; intelligentdesign; scienceeducation
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To: Right Wing Professor

Correction, it's liberal myths that are at risk.

Competition is a good thing, unless you are hiding something.


21 posted on 08/04/2005 10:40:35 AM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Maceman
We don't allow the government to dictate the content of our newspapers, so why do we allow it to dictate the content in our classrooms?

Because they fund it?

I am unable to lay my finger on that section of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government any role whatsoever in influencing or attempting to determine education curricula.

I agree. It's unconstitutional, and the federals should close the NEA and get out of our schools. Then people could choose where to send their kids, to learn which curricula.

22 posted on 08/04/2005 10:41:49 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Refill with only real Kikkoman Soy Sauce)
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To: Puppage

"...puts America's schoolchildren at risk,"



Hmmm, I wonder if America's school children are put "at risk" when they find out that their President is getting bl*wj*bs in the Oval Office from an intern half his age???


23 posted on 08/04/2005 10:42:14 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: biblewonk

No, but you know I actually had a conversation with the late, great Stephen Jay Gould, the High Priest of Evolutionism. (God rest his soul, R.I.P., etc. ;-)


24 posted on 08/04/2005 10:42:22 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Puppage
Like hell it does. By telling students there are different views about evolution it can only add to their education.

No it does not add to their educatation nor does your statement.

What is stated in the article is very correct and as a former University Grad, 43 should have known the difference between science and belief.

Beliefs such as ID can be taught in school but only in the religious classroom. However, ID is NOT a defined scientific theory and as such should never be taught in science classroom.

25 posted on 08/04/2005 10:42:33 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Right Wing Professor

So, belief in science is not a belief?


26 posted on 08/04/2005 10:42:45 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Puppage
Is there that much controversy about Napoleon as there is about evolution

In the scientific community, about as much.

27 posted on 08/04/2005 10:42:51 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I'm not sure public schools can be made much worse.

On the positive side, the Chicago Tribune is running a front page story that Chicago students' test scores have significantly improved.


28 posted on 08/04/2005 10:42:51 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Right Wing Professor

***No, it doesn't require that.***

So then science can be "safely" conducted both WITH and WITHOUT the presupposition that there is and intellegent designer.


29 posted on 08/04/2005 10:43:00 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Revolting cat!
So, belief in science is not a belief?

What do you mean by 'belief in science'? Belief that it exists?

30 posted on 08/04/2005 10:43:32 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Either the universe was created or it created itself.

The government has been taking the side that the universe created itself and nobody is allowed to question that or even mention that somebody questions it.

Education is supposed to be something to get people to think, not to restrict thinking to one view. Of course the atheist socialists running things can't have people going around thinking that there is a God when we have such a powerful government to look after us.


31 posted on 08/04/2005 10:43:50 AM PDT by OK
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To: PetroniusMaximus
So "scientific knowledge" require the belief that the universe is the product of random chance and has no intelligent designer behind it? Just a couple of things: 1) The theory of evolution makes no claims regarding the origins or development of the universe in general, and especially has no claims pertaining to whether the universe is a "product" of anything at all, specifically "random chance." 2) Current theory of evolution would quite specifically deny that species evolve randomly, although there may be some elements of chance involved. In essence, your point is a non-sequitur. Conversely, is it no also an "untestable belief" that there is NO intelligent designer??? No, because scientifically the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. To draw an analogy, if a person proposes that magnetic monopoles exist, the burden is on him to produce the experimental evidence that supports his suggestion; meanwhile the rest of us are entitled to believe his claims lack merit, or to join him in the search for evidence to support magnetic monopoles if we believe there is sufficient theoretical support otherwise. In no case could anybody say "magnetic monopoles exist" and be taken seriously in the scientific sense, unless he had actual hard evidence to back the statement up.
32 posted on 08/04/2005 10:44:22 AM PDT by saFeather
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To: Right Wing Professor

I, for one, have never subscribed to the belief that the existence of evolution (in some form) and the existence of God are imcompatible. Einstein himself stated that, "God does not play dice with the universe."


33 posted on 08/04/2005 10:44:46 AM PDT by TheBigB (Never insult seven men if you're only holding a six-gun.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

By all means, we know the education establishment limits itself strictly to proven science--like "new math" and "new, new math", whole language, peer teaching, not to mention sex education concepts. (sarc off)


34 posted on 08/04/2005 10:45:23 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Right Wing Professor
What do you mean by 'belief in science'? Belief that it exists?

No, the belief that science (and science alone) can provide irrefutable answers to existential and metaphysical questions.

35 posted on 08/04/2005 10:46:04 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Right Wing Professor
In the scientific community, about as much

To bad we're talking about the ENTIRE COUNTRY, not the "scientific community". Nice side step

36 posted on 08/04/2005 10:46:05 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: xsrdx
Trouble is, if you don't believe in Intelligent Design, or at least acknowledge it's as valid as say, Relativity, then you've bought into the notion that the universe was created through CHANCE.

Science is descriptive. If you have evidence of non-chance events influencing biological variation, feel free to post it.

37 posted on 08/04/2005 10:46:08 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Right Wing Professor

The ID crowd has a simple problem.
They just have to tell us all in exact scientific detail.
How God created the world. Wether or not this also includes defining exactly what god is.


38 posted on 08/04/2005 10:47:24 AM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: hawkaw
However, ID is NOT a defined scientific theory

String theory and the Big Bang are no more easily verified.

Simply asking if not ID, then what organized the universe? is a scientific question, avoided by science because of it's implications.

39 posted on 08/04/2005 10:47:32 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
So then science can be "safely" conducted both WITH and WITHOUT the presupposition that there is and intellegent designer.

No, the opposite of 'I assume X exists' is not 'I assume 'X does not exist'. The opposite of 'I assume X exists' is 'I do not assume X exists'.

Occam's razor tells us not to assume what is unnecessary.

40 posted on 08/04/2005 10:47:39 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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