Posted on 08/03/2005 10:35:16 PM PDT by hipaatwo
Support the police, treat Muslims with respect and pull out of Iraq
Ken Livingstone Thursday August 4, 2005 The Guardian
It is four weeks since bombers indiscriminately killed and maimed ordinary Londoners. Protecting London from terrorists requires the best possible policing - which, in turn, needs the greatest possible flow of information from all communities. It also demands that we shrink the pool of the alienated that bombers draw on by treating all communities as equal parts of British society - not only theoretically, but in reality. And it means withdrawing from Iraq. All are interrelated.
Acceptance that the invasion of Iraq increased the likelihood of a terrorist attack on London now extends far beyond the usual suspects - from Guardian writers to MI5, Douglas Hurd, the Daily Mail, the Spectator, and a majority of the British public. Jack Straw has also acknowledged this debate. If the invasion of Iraq had been justified, it would be possible to argue that we must bear the sacrifices necessary to achieve a just outcome. However, it is evident that the war in Iraq was not justified. It has made the situation worse. The illusions with which it was launched are collapsing.
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Which leads directly to the question of whether Britain should ban Sheikh Qaradawi - a matter with major consequences for the treatment of Britain's Muslim community. Last week, Jonathan Freedland honestly reported on these pages that Qaradawi utterly condemned the London bombings. However, many have suggested that Qaradawi should none the less be banned because he says Palestinian suicide bombing can be justified under Islam in the specific conditions of the Israel-Palestine conflict. I am utterly against both suicide bombings and Israeli killing of civilians - I didn't oppose capital punishment decade after decade to turn round and say it's all right when suicide bombers blow people up.
But if supporters of the Palestinians should be banned on the grounds that Palestinians kill civilians, then consistency would require banning Israeli leaders, who have been responsible for killing several times more Palestinian civilians. Someone advocating that both Sharon and Qaradawi be banned would be wrong, but at least they would be consistent.
Red Ken is a moron.
you can equally argue that killing all the Muslims would make us safer.
No Muslims - no Terrorism..
Since when does Israel intentionally kill "civilians"?
One sure way to make us all safer would be to stop electing left-wing MORONS like Red Ken - then civilized countries could have far more vigorous and consistent policies of waging war against the Islamo-fascists through to VICTORY, for the alternative is unthinkable (except to bozos like Red Ken).
Gee Ken, 3,000 of our citizens were murdered and we weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan. We respected Muslims, perhaps more than any other non Muslim country in the world. We defended them at great expense in Kosovo among other hell hole places around the world.
Our reward.
We're the Great Satan.
They want to kill us in the greatest numbers possible.
Ken, you're an idiot.
Guardian Readers. The stupidest b*stards on Earth.
He will not protect the people of London with all his heart because he believes the blame lies somewhere else.Ken is stuck in a time warp and can't get out of it. His problem solving skills are look for someone to blame.He has to go and fast.I truly feel sorry for the people of London,but ofton you get the goverment you deserve.
Oh man, I can't wait to hear what Ivan has to say about this.
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Oh man, I can't wait to hear what Ivan has to say about this
Let's find out. Thoughts Ivan?
What can you say? Red Ken is what would step out of the cloning machine if Neville Chamberlin and Michael Moore stepped in together.
Protecting London from terrorists requires the best possible policing - which, in turn, needs the greatest possible flow of information from all communities. It also demands that we shrink the pool of the alienated that bombers draw on by treating all communities as equal parts of British society - not only theoretically, but in reality.
Ok so far so good, but then....
And it means withdrawing from Iraq. All are interrelated.
Tripe of the worst sort. Absolutly stupid, dumb, nonsensical, the moon is made of green cheese idea.
Disturbing image alert!
What an arsehole.
I should have strangled Red Ken the one time I (much against my will), had lunch with him.
Regards, Ivan
Holy bubbling bong waters Batman, what is this loser smoking!?
Shame you didn't. Is there any way to recall him from office?
TX! How are the twins and the Mrs. doing? Hope all is well.
Unless he actually breaks the law, no.
Regards, Ivan
Sad for the people of London. Between him and Galloway the enemy within is out in the open and no one can do anything about it.
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