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State goes after smokers who buy cigs on Web (Backlash predicted)
Spokesman Review ^ | August 1, 2005 | Richard Roesler

Posted on 08/03/2005 3:32:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper

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To: elkfersupper
At the same time Governor Jim Doyle doesn't have a problem with setting up a program for Wisconsin residents to get prescription drugs from Canada. It's OK to by-pass the FDA, and deprive them of revenue, and actively encourage the citizens of Wisconsin to go to a foreign country for their medications. Don't forget, medications from a foriegn source are not FDA approved. And yet, believe me, Jim Doyle isn't as forgiving as he seems to appear in this story. The State of Wisconsin and Jim Doyle got the list of buyers from the Internet company under the threat of a lawsuit. How else would any State know who bought cigarettes on line? The On-Line company caved in and supplied the States with its customer list. It's sleaze working with sleaze. If there is money involved, where did it go? Follow the money trail.
41 posted on 08/03/2005 5:13:07 PM PDT by joem15
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To: ex-Texan
There's yet another way here in the Evergr$$n State, buy your tobacco from the Casino-American's. I'm surprised they haven't put up sites to sell cheap non-taxed Casino-American cigs & fireworks. Probably considered more trouble than worth.
42 posted on 08/03/2005 5:14:30 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: elkfersupper

That could get the indians to get out of the casino business!
But really, Missouri (under dim gov's) tried to make the missouri tax payer pay an extra fee for buying goods and services out of state over the internet. Their premise was lost capitol for missouri businesses. What a crock! More people make AND save money!
Didn't Michigan or Wisconsin recently try this same stunt with back taxes on cigs? The gov'r reneged but those who had already paid would not get their money back.


43 posted on 08/03/2005 5:16:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: joem15

I actually have some faith that this will all work itself out. See link at #34


44 posted on 08/03/2005 5:17:53 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Horatio Gates
Two words come to mind and it rhymes with bull shit.

Uh...cool shit? LOLOL

45 posted on 08/03/2005 5:18:04 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (If there was a problem, yo! I'll solve it!!)
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To: joem15

In Wisconsin (I can't say for sure about other states) it is the LAW that you file a state sales and use tax form with your regular personal state income tax return.

It is a line item that asks you to enumerate how much you spent on out of state purchases and then figure what the WI taxes are that you avoided paying and then pony up . . . .

I imagine they would have trouble enforcing it, but it's there nonetheless.


46 posted on 08/03/2005 5:21:57 PM PDT by WIladyconservative (Set up a monthly donation to FR - why? because it's The Right Thing to Do!)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

VA passed a law in 1969, and it's still on the state income tax forms, for you to pay the VA sales tax on goods bought out of state. I say "blank 'em"! When I bought the goods in another state, I paid THEIR sales tax, and when people from other states come here, they pay ours. Seems like a fair trade to me....


47 posted on 08/03/2005 5:28:11 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: ex-Texan
I used to just drive to Indian reservations across the state border once every 6 months and load up on cigarettes. Always paid cash and would drive back home with 20 cartons in a cooler in the trunk. Saved a bundle and didn't put any more tax money in the hands of Leftists.

But after 25 years of smoking, I got cancer followed by pneumonia and I quit.

I still miss smoking...every day. I suppose it's the price I pay for damn near annihilating my health of my own free will.

48 posted on 08/03/2005 5:55:59 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: elkfersupper

I'm sure organized crime will step in to help consumers get what they want without the government's interference. They did just that during Prohibition.


49 posted on 08/03/2005 5:58:54 PM PDT by The Great RJ (rtable)
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To: elkfersupper
Under state law, anyone found in possession of cigarettes without either a Washington state or state-authorized tribal tax stamp is subject to a fine of $250 or $10 a pack, whichever is greater.

So if a person stops at a store in Portland, Oregon, and buys a pack of cigarettes, and then gets pulled over by the police in Vancouver, Washington, and they notice his cigarettes, then that person is subject to a fine???????????????????????

50 posted on 08/03/2005 6:04:46 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: elkfersupper

I have also been told by residents of Alabama, that there is a line on the Alabama state tax return for you to list and pay taxes on any items you purchas out of state. So, if you take a trip down to Florida, you are supposed to report and pay taxes on what you buy. Ummmm....when donkeys fly.


51 posted on 08/03/2005 6:08:19 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: WIladyconservative

I'm in MN and I know our state (and probably all) say your supposed to file for sales made on Ebay as well. I'm sure everybody does, right?


52 posted on 08/03/2005 6:12:42 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your thing.)
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To: SolidSupplySide

Yes it will. Read the book about it. The actual cost of products will remain about the same. The sales taxes will replace the embedded taxes. Additionally, the fair tax doesn't call for 30%. It calls for about 23%, which is about what we pay in embedded taxes on all products. You do understand that businesses do not pay taxes? They collect them from individuals who buy their products.


53 posted on 08/03/2005 6:12:52 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: elkfersupper

There's trouble on the streets tonight,
I can feel it in my bones.
I had a premonition,
That he should not go alone.
I knew the gun was loaded,
But I didn't think he'd kill.
Everything exploded,
And the blood began to spill.
So baby, here's your ticket,
Put the suitcase in your hand.
Here's a little money now,
Do it just the way we planned.
You be cool for twenty hours
And I'll pay you twenty grand.

I'm sorry it went down like this,
And someone had to lose,
It's the nature of the business,
It's the smuggler's blues.
Smuggler's Blues


The sailors and pilots,
The soldiers and the law,
The pay offs and the rip offs,
And the things nobody saw.
No matter if it's heroin, cocaine, or hash,
You've got to carry weapons
Cause you always carry cash.
There's lots of shady characters,
Lots of dirty deals.
Ev'ry name's an alias
In case somebody squeals.
It's the lure of easy money,
It's gotta very strong appeal.


Perhaps you'd understand it better
Standin' in my shoes,
It's the ultimate enticement,
It's the smuggler's blues,
Smuggler's blues.


See it in the headlines,
You hear it ev'ry day.
They say they're gonna stop it,
But it doesn't go away.
They move it through Miami, sell it in L.A.,
They hide it up in Telluride,
I mean it's here to stay.
It's propping up the governments in Columbia and Peru,
You ask any D.E.A. man,
He'll say There's nothin' we can do,
From the office of the President,
Right down to me and you, me and you.


It's a losing proposition,
But one you can't refuse.
It's the politics of contraband,
It's the smuggler's blues,
Smuggler's blues.




54 posted on 08/03/2005 6:16:07 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your thing.)
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To: elkfersupper

Since when has it been constitutional for a State to tax, place tariffs and regulate interstate commerce?


55 posted on 08/03/2005 6:19:37 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: TexasTransplant

Oddly enough, they're only going after tobacco, not other goods"<<<

Just step one, they will get around to everything else in due time.


It's the government trying to protect us from ourselves. If they punish smokers hard enough, they'll quit smoking. Well.....that's happening in big time numbers. They just raised the tax another 60 cents a pack. They have to, because there are fewer smokers now to pay the tax. When there are no more smokers, golly gee Wally, where will the government get the money? You don't suppose they'll start putting extra taxes on other stuff, do you? Like cheeseburgers and soda pop? Those are supposed to be bad for you, too. How about skateboards and roller blades? People get hurt on those things, y'know. Gosh, it sure is swell that the government wants to take such good care of us!


56 posted on 08/03/2005 11:29:33 PM PDT by Just Lori (I'm too tired to play tag.)
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To: Spanaway Lori

>>>"it sure is swell that the government wants to take such good care of us!"<<<

It is amazing that these Politicians never think about "cutting spending" I think I can help them

(1) Term Limits so they have no reason to spend "our" money to buy votes.

(2) A Law that I can support would be that nothing, no Highways, Schools, Bridges, Buildings etc etc etc can be named after any Politician or former Politician until the SOB (or SOB'et) has been dead for at least 20 years.

(3) Fair Tax (one of the things the Fair Tax will do is discourage "Social Engineering")

TT


57 posted on 08/04/2005 8:29:21 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Rakkasan1; All
Three cheers for smugglers
58 posted on 08/04/2005 5:40:31 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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