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14 US Marines killed in Iraq
MSNBC/Imus in the Morning

Posted on 08/03/2005 4:04:27 AM PDT by leadpenny

Roadside bomb in western Iraq.


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KEYWORDS: bushbotrage; bushonvaca; coffins; fallen; haditha; ied; iraq; iraqinam; marines; military; oif; richperlestillalive; semperfi; thelastfullmeasure; usmc; veterans; wherearetheuavs; widowmakerinchief
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the answer, Jeff. I meant my questions in all sincerity, although I am distressed by our losses. I trust our commanders also and know that our troops have been and are doing an awesome job. I am so proud of the finest military in the world, the U.S. Armed Forces.


361 posted on 08/03/2005 10:23:41 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day:)
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To: jb6
"Personally, I'd have preferred if we'd gone in to Saudi Arabia and sent the corrupt, terror sponsoring House of Saud to the Hell they richly deserve.

Barkeep, send that man a beer on me. I've been of that opinion since 911. They would've been first on my list, oil be damned! When are we going to stop kissing their robed asses and ignoring their role in 911. The media, the UN and the Bush administration continue to ignore the blatantly obvious. The majority of the terrorists on 911 held Saudi passports!

362 posted on 08/03/2005 10:24:00 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: chgomac

Besides half hearted threats and hand wringing, what was the response from the Clinton's after the USS Cole?



Clinton did nothing. But then a few months later Bush was in office and he did nothing either. Matter of fact, Condolissa Rice said the Bush admin was afraid of emboldening the terrorists.

Maybe if we had totally leveled Tehran or Damascus after the USS Cole bombing that would have been a deterrent, if not we could have continued that process until it was a deterrent or the threat was eliminated.

Instead we are playing Vietnam all over again.

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363 posted on 08/03/2005 10:24:07 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: metermike

Many will say drop more bombs which will only fuel their(insurgents) propaganda to get new recruits



Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't fuel new recruits, did it?

What it fueled was our Victory and their defeat.


364 posted on 08/03/2005 10:26:26 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Dead Dog

x ACT LEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Syria needs to bleed.


365 posted on 08/03/2005 10:29:49 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: popdonnelly

You cannot come to some sort of peace or truce with Al Qaeda. They are more irrational than the Nazis



oH, you can't say that, they are muslims and Islam is a religion of Peace, don't you know.

When we start treating Islam like we treated the Nazis and the Japanese in WW2 then we will win this war in a month.
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366 posted on 08/03/2005 10:33:25 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: southernindymom
I guess I just do not get where you are coming from.

That guy is a very bitter and confused person. It is of no value to engage such fools. I could write at length about people with such mindsets, but I wont waste my time.

367 posted on 08/03/2005 10:38:51 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: blaquebyrd

$50+ million a year spent on DC buys you a lot of blindspots, or has for decades for the Saudis. These guys are the scum of the scum and the majority of the suiciders in the Sunni areas are Saudies. Time to start lobbing their heads back across the border.


368 posted on 08/03/2005 10:39:06 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Allegra

Hate to say it, but the Marines could learn something about tactics from the Army.


369 posted on 08/03/2005 10:41:02 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: Jeff Head

"Just the same, we are drawing the terrorists to our fighting forces by the thousands there and killing them. . .rather than them coming here."

Unfortunately, they are coming here due to lax immigration policy. My question is whether it's realistically possible to come out of this thing ahead without giving up the PC and accepting more civilian casualties. Is it really fair to subject our forces to the current rules of engagement? It would be nice, before judging though, to hear what the people fighting over there
have to say about this.


370 posted on 08/03/2005 10:41:02 AM PDT by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: OhioInfidel

Goes deeper than that. I am worried about the Zetas, the Mexican mercenaries who are trying to gain tactical control of the border around Nuevo Laredo. This is a military problem that the Administration should take care of.


371 posted on 08/03/2005 10:43:37 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: TomasUSMC

What he meant was that most IEDs don't do much.

But all it takes is one.


372 posted on 08/03/2005 10:47:49 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Wished I had bought stock in HESCO.)
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To: popdonnelly
Meaning you defeat them militarily, you defeat them ideologically, you try and execute their leaders. It's appalling to me that decent young Americans have to die in this struggle with fanatic nutballs. I hate wars as much as anybody. But does anyone know a realistic alternative?

I agree you must hunt down and kill all terrorists with extreme prejudice. Since 9/11 in all my readings, I have concluded that based on the lessons of History, not only must the terrorists be killed, their families and supporters need to be hunted down and killed with incredible violence. We are dealing with pure evil. We (meaning most American citizens) have not yet reached the Warrior mindset to understand that incredible violence is needed against this evil. PC and the evil left is part of the reason we can't do the "right thing" and viciously exterminate this evil. It may take an WMD on our soil to set free the force to finally kill these b*stards.

373 posted on 08/03/2005 10:51:27 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: Lori675

Do you think the Kurds can survive without our continued long term military help. I mean, they have no outlet to the sea and are surrounded by enemies. Iran, Turkey, Sunnis to the south. Maybe if the Kurds took out the Sunnis they'd have a chance but in their present situation they would get ganged up on quick, wouldn't they?

What about the turks, arn't there a lot of them living in the Kurds zone of control?

I'd prefer to let the Kurds loose on the Sunnis until the Sunnis surrender. Use them like our Ghurkas or something. I'm aware the Kurds are helping us out already. Do you think they can do more or are they maxed out.


374 posted on 08/03/2005 10:51:44 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: RobbyS; Allegra

Wasn't gonna say it, but when the Army controlled Al Anbar, we owned the roads. Not saying that there wasn't ambushes or that it wasn't dangerous, but we could travel.

Attacks increased significantly when the USMC took over Al Anbar. And by mid April 2004 we'd lost the highways and there were prohibitions on the same travel we had just weeks earlier.

The USMC seemed determined to reject out of hand any lesson the Army learned and tried to pass on. Lessons paid for in Army blood had to be relearned with USMC blood.

Also....the first thing the USMC did when they hit ground was to fortify their office areas on the bases as if they were going to stay behind sandbags and HESCOs for their 6-7 month tour. Just stay out of trouble. Then the Blackwater security guys got hit near Falluja. Then the Top Brass (Sanchez, Abizaid) had to come in personally to 'motivate' the USMC into attacking Falluja.

Some have tried to tell me that the Army didn't conduct raids, and that was wrong. The USMC still pushes machismo when technical competency is usually more valuable.

But what would I know about any of that?


375 posted on 08/03/2005 10:59:06 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Wished I had bought stock in HESCO.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Interesting. Wonder if the Marines are being utilized properly.


376 posted on 08/03/2005 11:02:31 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: SMARTY

This is the same situation the Marines faced in I Corps in 1965-1967, when the majority of combat casualties were from booby traps (IEDs, today). Same with the US Army in II Corps. Faceless enemy that at the time chose to hit and run, until late 1967 and into 1968 and Tet.

I'm not trying to minimize the loss of 7 Marines one day and 14 the next in ambushes, but it wasn't uncommon to lose 20 or 30 to as many as 60 US servicemen in individual large-scale ambushes in SEA in 1967-1969. The main difference then was the VC often stood and fought after triggering their ambush, unlike the raghead bastards who are basically cowards. I'm shocked they could wipe out 6 USMC snipers, but maybe those guys were green? How did they walk into this? Were they betrayed from the inside, like US personnel often were in recon units?


377 posted on 08/03/2005 11:04:49 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: leadpenny

I'm sad today. God bless these men.

(I have not served. My tagline honors my
son and my cousin.)


378 posted on 08/03/2005 11:08:10 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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