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Air France Aircraft on Fire at Pearson Airport (Toronto) (Update: Minor injuries)
CFRB 1010AM Radio ^ | Aug 2 2005

Posted on 08/02/2005 1:28:25 PM PDT by mitchbert

Breaking News from CFRB 1010AM News Radio - Toronto

Airliner on fire on the ground at Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ). Unclear as to cause. Announcers asking for updates from motorists in the region on HWY 401. Report says great deal of smoke. I have to go into a meeting shortly but I'll listen for updates as long as I can.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airchance; nojokesplease; planecrash; scarebus; toronto; yyz
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To: Central Scrutiniser; Paleo Conservative; Aeronaut
Actually 10 feet would be too bad!

Maybe it's the untrained commenter in me, but with a good-sized downburst, 10 feet wouldn't be too good. The tailwind would seem to add a good chunk to the landing roll (Paleo Conservative, Aeronaut, or another aviator FReeper could correct me on this).

681 posted on 08/02/2005 3:40:06 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: WestCoastGal

Ended without major injuries you mean....

that gas station has since been closed down...the investigation into who approved a gas station at the end of a runway proved futile, as the zoning permits were all missing at city hall.


682 posted on 08/02/2005 3:40:23 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: TaxRelief
Why do you suppose the Candian Government did not allow any helicopter press coverage of the incident?

Probably because flying a helicopter in a hailstorm is a Very Bad Idea.

683 posted on 08/02/2005 3:40:43 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Proudly Christian since 2005)
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To: Sonar5

Yeah, I was off by a digit on a runway, I posted from somewhere else while things were developing.

Wooo big man, you got me!

LOL

How sad of you to bring in evolution on this, makes you seem, oh, Obsessive?

Grownups talk about evolution on evolution threads, trolls like you, who have no real argument or skill, bring it on to a thread about a plane crash.

Go back to school, take debate, get that GED.


684 posted on 08/02/2005 3:41:38 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Apply generously to sunburned or irritated skin as needed)
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To: BurbankKarl
Thanks for the picture of the Airbus.

And I'll never forget it was an another Airbus that crashed in NY in 2001

The flight was an Airbus A300-600. The jet was propelled by General Electric engines that have been the subject of past National Transportation Safety Board recommendations.

685 posted on 08/02/2005 3:41:40 PM PDT by syriacus (Embryos -- Special enough that researchers want a lot of them; not special enough to deserve to live)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

You said:
"No, I go to the websites where the airline employees are, you get better info."

Apparently not... lol


686 posted on 08/02/2005 3:42:52 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: michigander
As for the crash, how can anyone possibly begin to comprehend how one would feel to be on that plane and be able to talk about it afterward?

I realized how stupid the media was after the DC-10 crash at Sioux Falls.

Talking head asks a young woman what happened - she's talking about noise and smoke and fire, the aircraft tumbling and breaking apart - and the reporter looks at her and in all seriousness asks, "were you afraid you were going to die?"

687 posted on 08/02/2005 3:43:11 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: steveegg

OK, 10 feet in a Helicopter loaded with non flammable packing peanuts!

Shear is nasty, we have been lucky in PHX, when the monsoons hit, its always a possibility, but we haven't ever had a major crash here.

Knock on wood!


688 posted on 08/02/2005 3:43:23 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Apply generously to sunburned or irritated skin as needed)
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To: Sonar5

Yep, I said it, still stand by it.

How is that dead horse of yours? Looks awfully beaten to me.

LOL


689 posted on 08/02/2005 3:44:13 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Apply generously to sunburned or irritated skin as needed)
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To: WestCoastGal

Califonria=California

Oh brother gone 10 months and can't spell it anymore. :)


690 posted on 08/02/2005 3:44:39 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Junebugism: "There is definitely a lot to it that will be understood down the road as it unfolds")
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To: True Republican Patriot

My bad, it was the data recorder that only had 10 seconds on it. Do you know if the CVR transcript has been released on that crash yet?


691 posted on 08/02/2005 3:45:17 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: syriacus

This one had CFM engines (according to ATW)


692 posted on 08/02/2005 3:45:52 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Apply generously to sunburned or irritated skin as needed)
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To: michigander
As for the crash, how can anyone possibly begin to comprehend how one would feel to be on that plane and be able to talk about it afterward?

I would be having a very serious meeting with Jack Daniels.
693 posted on 08/02/2005 3:46:53 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Vicomte13

My old first flight instructor always told me "Any landing you can walk away from is a good one!" Well by that definition this has turned out to be a good landing for all souls onboard.


694 posted on 08/02/2005 3:47:53 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot
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To: All

So in summation, we've got an Airbus 343 that is fly-by-wire, possibly with lightning stike ON FINAL, with only 14 injuries. That's excellent.

Now try to imagine having run through your entire checklist on approach, adjusted for the weather as best you can, keeping on center, and then seeing a bright flash which renders your control surfaces useless. That little dance with the feet on the rudder has no response. You know you're NOT going to flare this landing - it's pancake time - hopefully not porpoise or break the gear. You're no longer the pilot, you're a passenger with a front window.
(Shudder.)

I salute the crew - BIG TIME.


695 posted on 08/02/2005 3:50:19 PM PDT by datura (Molon Labe)
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To: steveegg

Window between storms too tight, remnants of previous storm obscured runway lighting on final approach, possible gust front from second storm may have added extra lift on final, no ILS on that runway, pilot and witnesses report the AC touched down late, wet runways inhibited braking.

No lightning strike, or else lightning strike not material to the incident, pilot was able to reverse engines, he just ran out of pavement.

AC into shallow ditch at low speed, minor fuel tank or line ruptures, slow initiation of fire, passengers all escape, remaining fuel tanks explode later, which, along with traffic tie-up, creates global media event.



696 posted on 08/02/2005 3:50:46 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: BurbankKarl
"the investigation into who approved a gas station at the end of a runway proved futile, as the zoning permits were all missing at city hall."

Well, isn't that interesting!

I'm wondering now how many airports have this buffer zone around the runways?

I used to live somewhat below the flight path of John Wayne Airport and have traveled in and out of that as well as Burbank. I don't think either of them have much of a buffer zone particularly at the end of the runways. I think John Wayne also has a busy street and office buildings down at the end and the 5 freeway at the beginning of the runway.

Palm Springs is the same way. I had a horrible flight into there many years ago on the now bankrupt Frontier Airlines, Much the same, overshot the runway and had to stand on the brakes and just barely got stopped. You could smell the rubber on the tires and from the brakes smoking when we got off. And it wasn't even bad weather!

697 posted on 08/02/2005 3:51:02 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Junebugism: "There is definitely a lot to it that will be understood down the road as it unfolds")
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To: Central Scrutiniser

LOL


698 posted on 08/02/2005 3:52:19 PM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: jeffers

Thanks for the correction.


699 posted on 08/02/2005 3:52:55 PM PDT by datura (Molon Labe)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
This one had CFM engines (according to ATW)

Has Airbus done anything to make the wings flex/shudder/shake less ?

I hate the way the wings "move" on the Airbus flights I've taken.

When I'm on a Boeing flight I don't worry that the wings are going to drop off.

700 posted on 08/02/2005 3:54:28 PM PDT by syriacus (Embryos -- Special enough that researchers want a lot of them; not special enough to deserve to live)
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