Posted on 08/02/2005 1:28:25 PM PDT by mitchbert
Breaking News from CFRB 1010AM News Radio - Toronto
Airliner on fire on the ground at Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ). Unclear as to cause. Announcers asking for updates from motorists in the region on HWY 401. Report says great deal of smoke. I have to go into a meeting shortly but I'll listen for updates as long as I can.
Maybe it's the untrained commenter in me, but with a good-sized downburst, 10 feet wouldn't be too good. The tailwind would seem to add a good chunk to the landing roll (Paleo Conservative, Aeronaut, or another aviator FReeper could correct me on this).
Ended without major injuries you mean....
that gas station has since been closed down...the investigation into who approved a gas station at the end of a runway proved futile, as the zoning permits were all missing at city hall.
Probably because flying a helicopter in a hailstorm is a Very Bad Idea.
Yeah, I was off by a digit on a runway, I posted from somewhere else while things were developing.
Wooo big man, you got me!
LOL
How sad of you to bring in evolution on this, makes you seem, oh, Obsessive?
Grownups talk about evolution on evolution threads, trolls like you, who have no real argument or skill, bring it on to a thread about a plane crash.
Go back to school, take debate, get that GED.
And I'll never forget it was an another Airbus that crashed in NY in 2001
The flight was an Airbus A300-600. The jet was propelled by General Electric engines that have been the subject of past National Transportation Safety Board recommendations.
You said:
"No, I go to the websites where the airline employees are, you get better info."
Apparently not... lol
I realized how stupid the media was after the DC-10 crash at Sioux Falls.
Talking head asks a young woman what happened - she's talking about noise and smoke and fire, the aircraft tumbling and breaking apart - and the reporter looks at her and in all seriousness asks, "were you afraid you were going to die?"
OK, 10 feet in a Helicopter loaded with non flammable packing peanuts!
Shear is nasty, we have been lucky in PHX, when the monsoons hit, its always a possibility, but we haven't ever had a major crash here.
Knock on wood!
Yep, I said it, still stand by it.
How is that dead horse of yours? Looks awfully beaten to me.
LOL
Califonria=California
Oh brother gone 10 months and can't spell it anymore. :)
My bad, it was the data recorder that only had 10 seconds on it. Do you know if the CVR transcript has been released on that crash yet?
This one had CFM engines (according to ATW)
My old first flight instructor always told me "Any landing you can walk away from is a good one!" Well by that definition this has turned out to be a good landing for all souls onboard.
So in summation, we've got an Airbus 343 that is fly-by-wire, possibly with lightning stike ON FINAL, with only 14 injuries. That's excellent.
Now try to imagine having run through your entire checklist on approach, adjusted for the weather as best you can, keeping on center, and then seeing a bright flash which renders your control surfaces useless. That little dance with the feet on the rudder has no response. You know you're NOT going to flare this landing - it's pancake time - hopefully not porpoise or break the gear. You're no longer the pilot, you're a passenger with a front window.
(Shudder.)
I salute the crew - BIG TIME.
Window between storms too tight, remnants of previous storm obscured runway lighting on final approach, possible gust front from second storm may have added extra lift on final, no ILS on that runway, pilot and witnesses report the AC touched down late, wet runways inhibited braking.
No lightning strike, or else lightning strike not material to the incident, pilot was able to reverse engines, he just ran out of pavement.
AC into shallow ditch at low speed, minor fuel tank or line ruptures, slow initiation of fire, passengers all escape, remaining fuel tanks explode later, which, along with traffic tie-up, creates global media event.
Well, isn't that interesting!
I'm wondering now how many airports have this buffer zone around the runways?
I used to live somewhat below the flight path of John Wayne Airport and have traveled in and out of that as well as Burbank. I don't think either of them have much of a buffer zone particularly at the end of the runways. I think John Wayne also has a busy street and office buildings down at the end and the 5 freeway at the beginning of the runway.
Palm Springs is the same way. I had a horrible flight into there many years ago on the now bankrupt Frontier Airlines, Much the same, overshot the runway and had to stand on the brakes and just barely got stopped. You could smell the rubber on the tires and from the brakes smoking when we got off. And it wasn't even bad weather!
LOL
Thanks for the correction.
Has Airbus done anything to make the wings flex/shudder/shake less ?
I hate the way the wings "move" on the Airbus flights I've taken.
When I'm on a Boeing flight I don't worry that the wings are going to drop off.
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