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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: demsux
If anything would pull a tennis shoe off of a foot, moving around in concrete would.

Concrete poured during the day would be set up by the wee morning hours.

821 posted on 08/03/2005 8:20:56 PM PDT by elli1
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To: TexKat

http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/article.asp?articleref=AR00000401EN

Residence Permit - Foreigners - Aruba
February 28, 2005

Foreign citizens who intend to stay in Aruba for a period longer than 3 months (90 days) need to apply for a residence permit.

Foreign citizens that would like to work in the Aruba need an employer that sponsors their work permit. Tourists are not allowed to engage in any paid activity in Aruba.

The work permit is in addition to the residence permit, these are two separate requirements. In general, a residence permit does not allow employment.

How to apply for a residence and/or work permit

Visitors* wishing reside and/or work in Aruba for a number of months must have a formal residence and also a work.
The person concerned can apply for a residence person him/herself. One of the requirements is that you need to submit proof of your financial means to cover the intended stay
The future employer needs to arrange / apply for the work permit.
Please request application forms and verify the detailed requirements of each application with the authority concerned:

Residence permits / Working permits

Information and application forms for working permits can be obtained free of charge at:

Ministry of Justice
c/o Department of Immigration and Naturalization (DINA)
Vondellaan 6-D
Oranjestad
Aruba
Tel. +297 828 500 or +297 858 592
Fax. +297 858 593

* Definition of a visitor

A 'visitor' is a person who visits Aruba for the purpose of recreation, sports, health, family reasons, study, religious purposes or business and does not take up any gainful occupation during his/her stay on the island.


822 posted on 08/03/2005 8:25:08 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: TexKat

"T. J. Ward should have been aware that a permit would be needed in order for him to operate in another country."

A professional PI and he did not know he needed a permit? Bull! I think he knew. He also knew that if he didn't ask for one, it would eventually help him PR wise. Seems from the beginning he has been solely interested in public exposure and free advertising of his PI firm.

Expect him to voluntaryly be arrested as nother PR ploy.


823 posted on 08/03/2005 8:26:15 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: stlnative
A 'visitor' is a person who visits Aruba for the purpose .....or business and does not take up any gainful occupation Well, isn't this playing both sides of the fence? Seems like a person can argue either way. Depends on the definition of "takes up"
824 posted on 08/03/2005 8:29:48 PM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: TexKat; demsux

If anything would pull a tennis shoe off of a foot, moving around in concrete would.

True.

At 80 degree temperature, approximate set time for concrete is 4 hours. Cement poured during Aruba daytime would not be sucking shoes off anyone at 3 am.

Approximate Concrete Set Times

825 posted on 08/03/2005 8:39:27 PM PDT by elli1
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To: TAquinas
Bull! I think he knew.

Yeh--splains why TJ has been doing most of his 'investigating' in American television studios.

826 posted on 08/03/2005 8:42:10 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Rusty Roberts
Well, isn't this playing both sides of the fence? Seems like a person can argue either way. Depends on the definition of "takes up".

No. It means that someone can't loll around the beaches in Aruba & panhandle for more than 60 days. Otherwise, 85% of San Franciso would be in Aruba. :)

827 posted on 08/03/2005 8:49:43 PM PDT by elli1
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To: stlnative

Thank you.


828 posted on 08/03/2005 8:53:17 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

How long before they deport Natalee's family out?


829 posted on 08/03/2005 8:58:18 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: TexKat

Here are some more links that might helpful in the future that is if you don't have them already.

http://www.amcongencuracao.an/Index.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/


830 posted on 08/03/2005 9:01:15 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative

Leaving fingerprints everywhere.


831 posted on 08/03/2005 9:17:56 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: All

Tons of info here...

http://www.arubachamber.com/

Just a few... from the main link above

http://www.arubachamber.com/events/2005/events_2005.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/contactboardmembers.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


832 posted on 08/03/2005 9:24:52 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative

http://www.arubachamber.com/voterslist.asp
leads you to this...

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


833 posted on 08/03/2005 9:26:45 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Halls

No, Natalee wasn't stupid. She was too trusting, or naive as you say. I have no doubt at all that many young people have used bad judgement and it did not begin in 2005 for sure. Most come home safe and sound. When they eventually mature, get some wisdom, it's then that they realize the risks they took.

Forgive me for quoting a well-worn adage: You can't put an old head on young shoulders. Too bad. Imagine the pain we'd be spared!


834 posted on 08/03/2005 9:34:51 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: Andy'smom; ruoflaw; KylaStarr; Jaded; cyborg; kcvl; TAquinas; maggief; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
Warrant for the Arrest of T.J. Ward (VIDEO)

BREAKING NEWS: There is a warrant out in Aruba for the arrest of T.J. Ward. Ward is a private investigator hired by the Holloway family. According to Aruban law if you are working on the island, you must be approved by the government. He did not do this and the police want to arrest him.

Friend of Witness Talks to Greta (VIDEO)

A friend of the witness who said he saw three boys dump a dead blonde girl into the dump talked to Greta and had this to say …

835 posted on 08/03/2005 9:55:19 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Mjaye

One of the girls on the trip described the scene of them leaving Carlos & Charlie's that morning (closes at 1 a.m). They were all getting into cabs.

Beth Twitty believes her daughter got into what she thought was a cab. Anyone else see these reports on TV?


836 posted on 08/03/2005 10:01:01 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: theophilusscribe
The Pimps games

Have as much fun as you can, get as drunk as fast as you can, have all the girls you can, do anything because you can. The gang mentality runs rampant in the "Pimps"

This quote seems appropriate for The Big Evil Kid: "But let Justice roll down like waters, And Righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. (Amos 5.21)

837 posted on 08/03/2005 10:01:15 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: elli1
Concrete poured during the day would be set up by the wee morning hours.

I'm talking about pouring fresh concrete...just need a few bags, water and a mixing machine...kinda like a development site.

838 posted on 08/03/2005 10:02:29 PM PDT by demsux
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To: TexKat
I think TJ SHOULD get himself arrested.....so should Beth and all the Twitty's and the Holloways and Greta should too.....

what a mock of justice....to be going after an investigator and letting those stinking pimps get away with murder of Nat....

let them fill their jails with the Alabamians......what an international scene it would cause, especially if Beth had a hunger strike or something similar.....

Go ahead Aruba.....make our day!!!!!!!

839 posted on 08/03/2005 10:11:26 PM PDT by cherry
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From SM:

Riding With Paul Reynolds

by Red

In the late morning I met Paul Reynolds, Natalee’s uncle, for some coffee and to discuss his upcoming plans. Paul plans to leave Aruba tomorrow and go back home to Texas. He also stated that he will be back to Aruba. Paul has made himself accessible all the time and has answered so many questions. After breakfast Paul let me ride with him and spend a day in the life of a member of the Family searching for any clues or leads in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

After breakfast we made a quick jaunt over to the Van der Sloot home to see by the off chance that maybe Paul Van der Sloot was home. A couple more pictures later and off we go. Having no success, it was off to the ponds to take a quick look as to what was finally done. I quick side note is that I am not quite sure why they ever stopped at the ponds seeing that they were not drained entirely. I just hope that the story that the pumps broke was not the reason why actions were ceased there. From what I saw there was plenty off water still needed to be drained.

It was now off to Paul’s hotel to do some brain storming and bide some time until his Fox, Day Side interview. I referenced to Paul that although it was a mark of brilliance what he and his family have done with the MSM in keeping this story on the front pages like no other story I have seen in recent years. Let us remember that Beth, Paul and family have single handed kept the MSM focused on Natalee Holloway and the events in Aruba. They have literally guilted the media into following the story or suffer the wrath of the viewing public.

That being said I mentioned to Paul as I did earlier in the week to Natalee’s dad, Dave Holloway, that maybe they should think about local media as well. International media like FOX, CNN, MSNBC and the other alphabet ones are great for American attention; however, Aruba really only gets CNN. If they really wanted to get to the hearts and minds of the Aruban people then maybe they should appeal to them through the local radio. Do interviews, take questions, appeal to the sensibilities of the Aruban public. To truly get through and make your point it is much better coming from the mouths of Natale’s family on local radio than it is from Nancy Grace on CNN. Ask any Aruban with regards to their opinion of Nancy Grace and they will say, I hope shy does not think of buying time sharing any time soon.

So thus the calling of the local radio stations began. Paul went live on Magic 96.5 FM today for a short time and tomorrow Paul will be live and in person at Top 95 from 9 to 10 am. He will be discussing where the situation is presently at and answering questions. Let us just hope that the family will continue to pursue the local media scenario as Aruban’s will listen to the radio, watching Nancy Grace that is another story.

Then is was off to the Marriott for the Fox News interview for the Day Side program. There we met Jossy Mansur who was also a guest on the show. I couple of technical difficulties later and Paul got bumped and Jossy Mansur went on to discuss Joran Van der Sloot and some of his anger management issues. After the show I was introduced to Jossy for the first time. Seemed like a nice enough man who wanted to get to the bottom of things. However, that post is for another time like tomorrow. I will say that I was amused when I introduced myself, “Hello Sir, I am Red from Scared Monkeys.” His reply, “I am glad to finally meet you, your monkeys think I am only in this for the fame and attention and absolute power.” Needless to say a smile engulfed my face knowing that the only way he could have known such a comment was to be reading the Scared Monkey’s forum.

After the Fox interview Paul Reynolds, Jossy Mansur and I sat down and just discussed the case and issues. Jossy presented a rather chilling statement that when reviewed seems to be true. Jossy said, “The only fact that we truly know as the truth is that Natalee got into a car with them.”

After meeting with Jossy it was off to the Holiday Inn so that Paul could meet up with his sister Beth Twitty who had just gotten in to town earlier today. Look forward to seeing Paul tomorrow and go with him to the radio interview on Top 95 at 9am. Thank you Paul for allowing me the insight and access to what is only a small portion of Natalee’s families day searching for her. Until tomorrow … signing off.

840 posted on 08/03/2005 10:14:48 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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