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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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Red
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:56 pm

Just a quick little update of what Red was up to today:

1: Landfill - two backhoes were being used today at the landfill. Get the word out, we need a bulldozer too.

2. Spent time with Paul Reynolds, at interviews and at radio interview with 96.5 FM.

3. Met Jossy Mansur and talked with him a while.

4. Went back to the Vander Sloots to see if they were home.

I will be posting later on Jossy Mansur and Paul Reynolds ...


701 posted on 08/03/2005 5:22:57 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: TexKat

Thanks for the updates TexKat.


702 posted on 08/03/2005 5:26:00 PM PDT by fatima
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To: yellowhammer

My dog just made him a cake in the backyard.


703 posted on 08/03/2005 5:27:10 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything.)
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To: fatima

My pleasure fatima.


704 posted on 08/03/2005 5:27:18 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Does Julia Renfro Have a Vested Interest?
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html
The Villas owned by ARS group.

Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.

It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.

The ARS Group and World-Wide Travel Guide may be related to each other as they both cover the same types of activities but it seems that the business grew from Aruba to World-Wide.
These groups handle many types of businesses including yacht rentals, The Screamer, real estate, Villa rentals, apartments, office space, virtual offices and corporates identities, Business services to include...
Administration Services
Architectural Services
Business Brokerage Services
Car Rental Services
Charters
Cellular Phone Rental
Commercial or Residential Real Estate Services
Concierge & Reservations Services
Conference Room
Fax and Copy Services
Financial Services
Fiscal Services
Internet Services
Insurance Services

Julia has one main competitor on Aruba. That is Diario-Aruba owned by Jossy Mansur. The Mansur family has a colorful background that has been made very public with the help of Ms. Renfro and her media contacts. Ms. Renfro's background on the other hand has been kept secret.

Let's look at a few things that Ms. Renfro has had to say about this case.

"Locally there was never even a mention or a breath of concern that this was a racial issue nor a status issue," Renfro said. HUMMMMM Does 'locally' mean the Dutch community?

"It was not 200 people protesting. It was 200 people demonstrating what Aruba was about, the friendliness of the island, that Aruba was turning into a welcome mat that was just being absolutely stepped on." So it was NOT a protest but in her next breath she says....
"No question about it. I was there at the protest demonstration. And it was all about, this is who we are. This is our justice system. We believe in our justice system. Let it prevail." OK, Julia which was it? An Unbiased view.

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.

posted by Breezy at 7/29/2005 12:09:00 PM


705 posted on 08/03/2005 5:28:25 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Sunshine55

ROFL! Priceless!!!


706 posted on 08/03/2005 5:30:19 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: truthluva

LOL!


707 posted on 08/03/2005 5:30:26 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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Wednesday, August 03, 2005
The General Timeline from May 30
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/08/general-timeline-from-may-30.html

05/30/05 Mon Natalee disappears
05/31/05 Tue questioning JVDS @ 5:00AM and 2:00PM
06/01/05 Wed Poster changed to kidnap
06/02/05 Thu Reward begins

06/04/05 Sat Police call boys witnesses
06/05/05 Sun Sec. Guard Arrests
06/06/05 Mon Search day gov. employees may take off at 2:00 PM

06/09/05 Thu Kalpoes and JVDS arrested
06/10/05 Fri Someone Confesses and Recants
06/13/05 Mon Sec Guards released

06/15/05 Wed VDS Home Searched
06/17/05 Fri Steve Croes arrested
06/18/05 Sat PVDS questioned 5 hours
06/19/05 Sun PVDS questioned 2 hours

06/21/05 Tue VDS and GVS and BHT interview
06/22/05 Wed VDS and GVS interview
06/23/05 Thu PVDS arrested

06/26/05 Sun Court hrg. PVDS released
06/27/06 Mon Steve Croes released

07/04/05 Mon Kalpoes released
07/05/05 Tue Beth speaks out on Kalpoes release
07/08/05 Fri Beth Apologizes

07/22/05 Fri FBI invited to help
07/25/05 Mon 3 New witnesses Come Forward

posted by Breezy at 8/03/2005 07:45:00 AM

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Please note that the blogger has links for those events . . . (some links may be broken).


708 posted on 08/03/2005 5:32:55 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe; alice_in_bubbaland
From what I read earlier at SM, this was Beth's lawyer and she was saying they checked his feet and the story of him walking home wasn't true.
709 posted on 08/03/2005 5:41:02 PM PDT by Krodg
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Red
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:26 pm

Guys I have to run and actually eat something today. Woops did I say that with Mrs Red on the board?

Will be back later with some posts and to chat and answer questions.

Just two reminders:

1) Convinced Paul to do some local radio and Paul Reynolds will be on Top 95 tomorrow morning from 9-10 answering questions.

2) When I met Jossy this afternoon and introduced myself ... he knew who Scared Monkeys was and also knew content from the forums not just the main page. Not bad guys.

Will talk to you all later ...


710 posted on 08/03/2005 5:41:56 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe
From Nancy Grace:

Anastasiya Bolton: Joran was not very cooperative today. Joran turns 18 on Saturday, his parents will still be able to visit him as they are now due to him not being charged with a crime.

Joran's Defence is trying to stop the FBI from having tapes of the case. Judge should provide an answer some time this week.

Katherine Weatherly: Actually I was there with Natalee, I passed him, I did not notice him. Natalee was with him later in the night. C&C closed at 1 o'clock, there were taxis and I just got in one. Noticed that Natalee was not there at the same time Claire did the next morning. I was not there when they discovered she was missing.

Claire Fierman: No I have never seen him (Joran). I did not go to C&C.

711 posted on 08/03/2005 5:42:52 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: theophilusscribe
Look how vacant, dead, and evil Joran's eyes are in that picture.

That kid is a sicko!

712 posted on 08/03/2005 5:42:54 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: theophilusscribe

....... more dead, and vacant eyes of Joran.


713 posted on 08/03/2005 5:44:27 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: TexKat; theophilusscribe
Joran turns 18 on Saturday

Oh good ............... can he now drink and gamble?

714 posted on 08/03/2005 5:46:15 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: beyond the sea

Did you read the post at 693? If true, they are all very sick, indeed!


715 posted on 08/03/2005 5:46:40 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: TexKat

TK, read that he loses some of his rights when he turns 18. Have you heard that too?


716 posted on 08/03/2005 5:48:08 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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Did you read the post at 693? If true, they are all very sick, indeed!

I just did.................. it all makes way too much unfortunate and deplorable sense.

717 posted on 08/03/2005 5:50:01 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: theophilusscribe
From Nancy Grace:

Anathaysia Bolton: No plea bargains in Aruba.

Jossy Mansur: We found out that Joran is answering all his questions with silence. At some point he throws his hands over his ears. The witness keeps insisting that he. Jossy admits that his crew did not check properly before presenting the picture that Jossy showed last night on Nancy Grace. They do not know what type of shoes that Joran was wearing the night Natalee went missing.

Nancy Grace stated that the MB students will be of little help in the investigation.

Beth:Feels as though she came back to Aruba with a lot more information. Beth knows definitively that it was mass confusion when everyone left C&C.

718 posted on 08/03/2005 5:51:46 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: beyond the sea
it all makes way too much unfortunate and deplorable sense.

Too true . . . a very sordid and sad mystery, indeed.

719 posted on 08/03/2005 5:53:23 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe
TK, read that he loses some of his rights when he turns 18. Have you heard that too?

He very well may loose some. But the reporter just stated that Joran parents will still visit him due to him not being charged with a crime yet.

720 posted on 08/03/2005 5:53:52 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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