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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: cajungirl
And you cannot in this day expect your kids to stay home and knit.

How about stay home and surf Free Republic? Or is that considered home schooling? :o)

1,681 posted on 08/05/2005 9:33:21 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: cajungirl

The truth is we all let go of our kids at some point.






Their driver's licenses did it for me. Not that I didn't worry, I just had to let go.


1,682 posted on 08/05/2005 9:33:41 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: hummingbird
Funny, but I have been searching (to no avail) for my copy of Lord of the Flies. Guess I'll have to stop by the library this PM. You probably know this but the hebrew word meaning "lord of the flies" is "Beelzebub" (Baalzebubba...Baal = god and zebub/zebubba = flies).

I wonder if there is a Beelzebub in the Aruban phone directory.

1,683 posted on 08/05/2005 9:34:56 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: theophilusscribe; Dark Skies
But it is a different place—unlike the US on many different levels. That's what is so difficult, I think, hummingbird. Getting at just what kind of guy we're dealing with in Joran, and what kind of society we are dealing with in Aruba (tourist attractions aside).

Well put. Maybe that's why some of us get so frustrated so quickly. Aruba is truly "unlike the US on many different levels." If there were only slight differences, it would be more understandable but with so many layers, it is easy, at least for me, to make presumptions that might take the investigation way off course.

One of the best mental exercises is to debate someone about something you feel very strongly about...only you have to take the opposing side and fight with everything you have to win. I cannot even "see" the other side with respect to what is happening in Aruba...I'm totally stumped.

If I was a 'profiler,' I think I would be afraid of this case...finding and getting into the mindset is not a place I'd want to go.
1,684 posted on 08/05/2005 9:35:45 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: pamlet

Pamlet, please excuse me for interjecting, but "ChapelHill" N.C. fits in with the aruban mind-set of life and activities.

The Worm Has Turned,
NSNR


1,685 posted on 08/05/2005 9:36:13 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: hummingbird

"some early posts that said Joran had a scholarship (tennis?) to a Florida University."

Didnt Jossie clarify the other night that the school was in Aruba although it was an "American" school? His typical doublespeak.


1,686 posted on 08/05/2005 9:36:36 AM PDT by Canedawg (Not for sale.)
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To: Trust but Verify

All that it took was Joran to find her. Natalee didn't have to do anything but be somewhere that Joran saw her and he started stalking his prey at that point.


1,687 posted on 08/05/2005 9:37:06 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: Toespi

Yes..And this is the second time you have asked me that. I know what started it and we have been around the world and back on it. And basically, you think she should have known about the dangers, others believe her upbringing (hometown included) did not prepare her for it. That's the gist. I am aware of the topic.

And I still say you cannot expect everyone to be as aware as you are. You cannot raise all the children. You cannot inform all the children. Bad things happen. Sometimes to people who did not have the experience or information that would have helped them avoid it. Sometimes teenagers think their parents are a bunch of worry-warts who are stifling them. In Natalee's case...we don't know what her level of awareness was.


1,688 posted on 08/05/2005 9:39:25 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: cajungirl
I saw that post on SM,,a local posted it but it seemed more like rumor. Don't know.

Thanks, cajungirl!
1,689 posted on 08/05/2005 9:40:45 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: hummingbird
Could there be concurrent investigation(s) going on with respect to drugs/money laundering, slave trafficking, etc. in Aruba that started way before Natalee and her classmates even picked Aruba for their graduation present?

If it looks like a "circle jerk," its either a "circle jerk" or a jurisdictional pissing match.

You've hit on the one and ONLY thing I've got a shred of hope for in this crime. Either the ALE is completely corrupt (since no LE displays this much incompetency), or they are reeling in several big fish to fry.

I have to tell you though, I don't think it's the latter.

1,690 posted on 08/05/2005 9:41:20 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: hummingbird

" In the early pictures of Joran and his party pics, before they were taken down from the net, lots of these kids seemed to be throwing signs."

Yes, lots of hand signs. Plus on a few photos they described themselves as *PIMPS*. In light of what may have happened to Natalee, the word pimp might have been accurate.


1,691 posted on 08/05/2005 9:42:59 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: demkicker

PVDS drives a yellow station wagon?????

if so, I never knew it. Last nite on Greta I saw a burned car that I'm pretty sure was a station wagon with some unburned pertion of the rt front fender that was yellow....it was visible as the background to footage of TEQ guy using the ground penetrating radar.....it was NOT at the pond or dump....the car was next to a small bldg, and the whole scene looked like it night have been shot while TEQ was searching on the VDS neighbors property.....it was at the end of Greta's segment with Hutson of TEQ last night.....as she was talking her way to the break after finishing with Hutson......it was just footage while she was talking.....she was not discussing the car. I was shocked to see such a car on the screen after having just learned for the first time that the landfill witness had told of a yellow station wagon, which I hadn't heard before.

So the obvious question is.....first, IF it was a station wagon (I'm 95% sure it was), where is it, who owns it, when and under what circumstances did it burn?


1,692 posted on 08/05/2005 9:43:17 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: cajungirl

" Interesting, I wondered why the Divne Charles knew where to go that night. "

Did you read the post on the Riehl site, that said CC was Steve Croes' uncle??


1,693 posted on 08/05/2005 9:44:47 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Toespi; No Surrender No Retreat

Swell rant. Um, was there a particular point, hon, or were you just needing to vent?


1,694 posted on 08/05/2005 9:45:20 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

This case keeps getting stranger & stranger. I think PVDS drives a jeep, right? That's what someone referred to on another post and a jeep was seen that night & the witness says he saw PVDS at the landfill.


1,695 posted on 08/05/2005 9:46:31 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: libsl

Fro starters, Joran is a pathological liar. THAT alone separates him from the norm.

I'll stick with Beth's first impression of him. Pounding his chest and screaching "what do you want me to do?"


1,696 posted on 08/05/2005 9:47:39 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: cajungirl

Well put....


1,697 posted on 08/05/2005 9:48:03 AM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Froufrou
Swell rant. Um, was there a particular point, hon, or were you just needing to vent?

No, its just time for her meds and she needs to go get them refilled.

1,698 posted on 08/05/2005 9:48:32 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Trust but Verify

just stating a fact



As so was I.


1,699 posted on 08/05/2005 9:49:56 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: demkicker

Either the ALE is completely corrupt (since no LE displays this much incompetency), or they are reeling in several big fish to fry.
_______________________________________________________

On DRUDGE; Apparently the Aruban authorities are mighty upset with Equusearch - claiming that they disturbed/destroyed some turtle nests in their search FOR A HUMAN BEING!!!!!!!

jEESH


1,700 posted on 08/05/2005 9:50:51 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put - NOT evict others.)
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