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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: Toespi

Well, I'm sincerelly glad to hear that I was wrong about that. Since poor judgement seems to be that common among young people (but not at the exclusion of us old folks) can we agree to stipulate that poor judgement was used by all that went to C&C's that night and move on to other aspects of this case?


1,421 posted on 08/04/2005 8:30:48 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Pepper777

Wow!! I wonder if it's the yellow station wagon the witness was talking about.

well, yeah.....I forgot to say that, LOL

I'm thinking that the car was at VDS's or his neighbors, by the look of things, but I don't know for sure.....the guy dragging the ground penetrating radar was within 30 or so feet of the car. I think they were doing the search of the neighbors property when the footage was shot. I really hate to be the only one that noticed this.....it was as Greta was talking her way to the break as she finished with Hutson of equasearch. Catch the rerun if you are up late.


1,422 posted on 08/04/2005 8:31:04 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: truthluva

You bet.


1,423 posted on 08/04/2005 8:31:37 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: demkicker

Yep, there are three people on this thread who insist they are persecuted for being outspoken in their opinions.

But what they are hiding behind in that rightous or self rightous statement, is the fact that they are here to cast blame and aspersions on the innocents in this case.

I don't know why. Envy? Judgement? Dislike of well to do young women who are beloved and cared for? Agents of the Arubans?

Or just attention seekers.


1,424 posted on 08/04/2005 8:32:18 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: ZOTnot

Yep, but all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to remain silent.

It is unpleasant here, but this is our neighborhood and some are here to trash the place I do believe.


1,425 posted on 08/04/2005 8:33:46 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

You left out realists.


1,426 posted on 08/04/2005 8:33:52 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: cajungirl


Only three? Been some weeding done, I reclon.


1,427 posted on 08/04/2005 8:33:53 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: oldenuff2no
"How does a story without one shred of physical evidence, no crime scene and no body continue to dominate"

I don't know.....

it is what it is.......

no poster has to be here on this thread......

1,428 posted on 08/04/2005 8:34:25 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cajungirl
I gotta go to bed!!! The work gods will be looking for me early tomorrow. 'Nite All!>>>
1,429 posted on 08/04/2005 8:35:00 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

I agree that Birmingham probably has fewer problems than the cities mentioned. However to say that because kids are from a suburb of a small city in the south they are not as aware of what is going on in the world is rather sticking your head in the sand. We lived in Raleigh, NC for 12 years... while we were there we lived a number of places.. including the suburbs. I can tell you there were drug problems in the "best" public schools - and with kids of very wealthy parents. In fact I can say from working in the mall for a number of years... the "wealthier" the neighborhood - the more messed up the teens were.

I have no idea what the social make-up was of Natalee and her group... I do know I heard her mother say that Jug's son had been on the trip to Aruba a few years before and even told them about C&C and what goes on. Beth said she had talked to Natalee about it.

I think where everyone is getting all wound up is some weird feeling that somehow if Natalee wasn't "perfect" she wouldn't be worth worrying over. Well I really don't CARE if she was "partying".. she's gone and her parents have spent over 2 months looking for her.

I DO think that while we as onlookers don't need to know - WHOEVER is doing the investigating needs to know exactly what happened that night and all week. It could lead them to a number of things.. That's where I get concerned.. that no one really seems to KNOW what went on that entire week.


1,430 posted on 08/04/2005 8:35:46 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: Toespi
Whoops did you remember your past post?:

...Here we go again. No, I would not say that to a desperate mother, I would say that to a vigilante stepfather and his five friends from Alabama and two policemen from Aruba who have probably been tipped pretty handsomely who decided to take matters into their own hands. What did the Twitty group expect to elicit from their hostile adventure to the VDS home? Did you want the VDS family to supply the noose? You bet, my son would not say a word especially to a group who would misconstrue every word from his mouth. There is every reason to believe that Joran killed this girl but to blame the mother and father is outrageous.

3,720 posted on 06/28/2005 3:00:35 PM PDT by Toespi

1,431 posted on 08/04/2005 8:36:50 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: truthluva

I know you will all be sorry to hear this, but I must go bed. Even us superhumans must get a good nights sleep.


1,432 posted on 08/04/2005 8:36:53 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: cherry


Think Chandra Levy. Hers 'was' a huge mytery that dominated until 9/11 and then once her body was found, her case has gone cold.


1,433 posted on 08/04/2005 8:37:32 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Toespi
I know you will all be sorry to hear this, but I must go bed. Even us superhumans must get a good nights sleep.

Ok get some sleep and when you get up and feel all fresh and snappy, how about responding to my previous questions..thanks

1,434 posted on 08/04/2005 8:39:30 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Sure do and I stand by it. I think it is now obvious that their actions caused hostility and has been counter productive in finding their daughter.


1,435 posted on 08/04/2005 8:39:37 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: pamlet
Natalee is a native of a little town 30 miles west of me, called Clinton, MS. She lived there throughout her junior high school years.
1,436 posted on 08/04/2005 8:39:42 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: cajungirl

Beth had mentioned on Greta's show that an American girl from NJ had come to her and had told her about the way Joran and his friends treated/acted in April when she went to C&C's. Was very similar to how he acted in May.

And also the K brothers were sitting in the same spot they were when Natalee disappeared.


1,437 posted on 08/04/2005 8:40:16 PM PDT by coconut47
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
maybe a savy big city girl would and maybe she wouldn't...

one thing for sure, a drunk or drugged or both 18 yro would not have much say in what happened to her, whether she was savy or not....

people seem to forget that Nat was basically corralled if we can believe reports from people who saw her....she made very little choice ,IMO......

1,438 posted on 08/04/2005 8:40:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: oldenuff2no
In the Congo, children are abducted by force and made into slaves to pick the leaves that are the basis of the chocolate that we buy every day.

Chocolate is derived from cocoa beans not from leaves! How do I know--been there, done that!

1,439 posted on 08/04/2005 8:40:42 PM PDT by Tarheel (Nothin' could be finer than to be in Carolina in the morning.)
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To: Toespi

You really reallly hate it that Nat is the beloved daughter of people who are giving up their lives trying to bring her home aren't you. It just galls you to think that so you spend your time here implying things about her.

Girls from this kind of family are protected and are indulged and don't get exposed to the "streets". She is/was a nice girl from a nice family with incredibly strong and decent parents.

But your concern is for Joran.


1,440 posted on 08/04/2005 8:40:49 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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