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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: Sunshine55

lol. Did they check the pond...or...his house?


1,321 posted on 08/04/2005 6:53:05 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Trust but Verify

OMG, you were just personally attacked unless of course, you are a weasel.


1,322 posted on 08/04/2005 6:54:08 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: truthluva

I hope he hasn't "lost his head".


1,323 posted on 08/04/2005 6:54:12 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything.)
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To: Sunshine55

Interesting possibility, Sunshine!


1,324 posted on 08/04/2005 6:54:44 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Trust but Verify

"I have to take a shower. I apparently stink."

translation:

you have been busted spreading deliberate disinformation on the thread, so you are going to wash yourself clean rather than answer for it. Good idea.


1,325 posted on 08/04/2005 6:54:45 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: varina davis

Smart post Varina.


1,326 posted on 08/04/2005 6:54:56 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
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1,327 posted on 08/04/2005 6:55:36 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Li-Li

Oh, I didn't read TK's post the same way you did. But, I'm not her. You can post to me if you want. I here guessing just like everybody else.


1,328 posted on 08/04/2005 6:56:05 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: stlnative

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1,329 posted on 08/04/2005 6:58:44 PM PDT by stlnative (What is that strong smell coming from under the bridge?)
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To: Sunshine55

"I hope he hasn't "lost his head".



Me too. He's probably just sacred. I keep hearing Jossy say how scared some of those people are of getting involved in this. Maybe he thinks going in to give a statement is the equivalent to being arrested.


1,330 posted on 08/04/2005 7:00:00 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

" At this point...I think all things should be investigated."

I definately agree~!!!


1,331 posted on 08/04/2005 7:00:50 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: All

Beth is reiterating the NJ girl's story about her encounter w/Joran in April 2005.


1,332 posted on 08/04/2005 7:02:14 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything.)
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To: Toespi
I never claimed to be smart, just rational. Have you been drinking?

Newsflash for you: YOU ARE NEITHER SMART OR RATIONAL, and no, I haven't had a drink this evening although you probably drive most people that deal with you to imbibe and get smashed.

1,333 posted on 08/04/2005 7:05:17 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Trust but Verify
I don't think anyone is blaming Natalee for going off with Joran in the sense that she is to blame for what happened to her. I think what people are saying is that consuming a lot of alcohol, especially when it is something you don't normally do, can be lead you to do things that are unthinkable when you are sober. By all accounts, Natalee was not a big party girl, but the whole atmosphere in Aruba was party and she went along with it.

How about another way of looking at this?

Natalee and her friends live in a far safer, more innocent place.

Yes, they go to parties at home, not to bars obviously, since they're too young. They have great fun in a simpler way. Parties, proms, restaurants with young men who are for the most part well-behaved.

However, when the girls go to Aruba, they have no way of realizing that they have just entered a much much darker, far more sinister, atmosphere, where young women are stalked and preyed upon.

But the young women have no way of knowing that the game has changed, so they behave as they always do at home.

Can anyone honestly cast blame on these young girls for not knowing this?

1,334 posted on 08/04/2005 7:06:56 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Sunshine55

" Beth is reiterating the NJ girl's story about her encounter w/Joran in April 2005 "

Beth's description of Juran is interesting. Sounds like Juran is either at the casino or at C & C's bar alot. Wonder how the heck he ever managed to graduate.

Interesting that the Kalpoe brothers were there too when the NJ 18 year old met Juran. According to the Mom of Juran, he was not *really* good friends with the Kalpoes. riiight!


1,335 posted on 08/04/2005 7:08:21 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: texasbluebell

Your post makes a lot of sense. If Joran is somewhat of a predator I can see where these kids would not be able to spot that.


1,336 posted on 08/04/2005 7:12:13 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: texasbluebell
Can anyone honestly cast blame on these young girls for not knowing this?

No.

But I certainly can blame the parents for allowing their 18 y/o's to run hogwild in a foreign country.

1,337 posted on 08/04/2005 7:13:03 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: texasbluebell
Can anyone honestly cast blame on these young girls for not knowing this?

Yes, toespi & Trust but Verify can. They love to point fingers. If you don't believe me, read this thread and weep....

1,338 posted on 08/04/2005 7:13:04 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Pepper777

Beth described the Kalpoes as Joran's wingmen.
Seems to be a well practiced routine with Joran and the Kalpoes.


1,339 posted on 08/04/2005 7:15:00 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx; All

Did anyone see the landfill witness on Greta just now? This guy was very believable!


1,340 posted on 08/04/2005 7:18:55 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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