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Defeatist, anti-nuclear, leftist crap. Bring back Orion!
1 posted on 08/01/2005 1:19:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker; Physicist

No. This is a real problem. Especially at relativistic speeds.


2 posted on 08/01/2005 1:22:12 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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"I do not see how the problem of this hostile radiation environment can be easily overcome in the future," says Keran O'Brien

Then let's make sure no one asks your opinion on how to overcome this.

3 posted on 08/01/2005 1:22:13 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (When can we stop pretending that the Left doesn't by and large hate America?)
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The radiation encountered on a journey to Mars and back could well kill space travellers, experts have warned. Astronauts would be bombarded by so much cosmic radiation that one in 10 of them could die from cancer. The crew of any mission to Mars would also suffer increased risks of eye cataracts, loss of fertility and genetic defects in their children, according to a study by the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Yeah, but they get to go to Mars. I think you could find volunteers even if you could GARAUNTEE that all those things would happen if you promise that they get to go to Mars.

4 posted on 08/01/2005 1:22:26 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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It's not like they would be dropping like flies during the journey. Flying to Mars still sounds safer than climbing Everest.


5 posted on 08/01/2005 1:23:00 PM PDT by MediaMole
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You know, I wonder whether running a magnetic field around the ship would serve to sheild the crew the way the earth's magnetic field sheilds us--and how much power would be needed to create an effective sheild.


6 posted on 08/01/2005 1:23:11 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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Those cosmic rays can mess you up!
8 posted on 08/01/2005 1:24:24 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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yeah first the leftist tree huggers cause the shuttle to burn up in the atmosphere thanks to the change to non-cfc based foam for the big external fuel tank....and now this.
9 posted on 08/01/2005 1:24:38 PM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Heinlein)
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Well, the really heavy radiation-protected spaceship does not have to land, and could remain high in a barely captive orbit. Apollo-like light module could be used for the landings.


10 posted on 08/01/2005 1:25:00 PM PDT by GSlob
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"Unless we can develop instantaneous time and space transfer technologies like Dr Who’s TARDIS."


IIRC, the TARDIS doesn't actually move. It exists "outside" space and time, and when you travel from one point to another it simply pulls its entrance out of the time and space you entered, and pushes it back in at the point you wished to travel to. That's why the TARDIS can be as large as you want without worries over how you move such a large mass from one point to another.


11 posted on 08/01/2005 1:25:33 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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The radiation encountered on a journey to Mars and back could well kill space travellers,

The "new" scientist should forget the "old" spelling. We aren't in England anymore (and the article refers to the U.S.), so it's spelled "traveler" with one "l". Spell checking aint what it used to be.

That said, I also find issue with their conclusion that cosmic rays kill you. They merely mutate your DNA and transform you into the first thing you mention or try to do after you get back.

TS

12 posted on 08/01/2005 1:26:06 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When you're ready to have a mature discussion about the Green Lantern, you have my email address.)
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BS! Isn't this what shielding is for?


14 posted on 08/01/2005 1:27:10 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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Bring back Orion!

LOL!


16 posted on 08/01/2005 1:27:41 PM PDT by datura (Molon Labe)
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To the author of this piece:

>But women ... are more susceptible to breast and ovarian cancers.

Duh.


18 posted on 08/01/2005 1:28:29 PM PDT by steve1848
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The problem is well known. It is like somebody noticing the price of gasoline has risen in the past year.

What will the astronauts do?

They will need shielding. Maybe a lot.

19 posted on 08/01/2005 1:29:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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Ummmmm.....Anybody at NASA ever heard of LEAD?

Seems to me a Lead coating (inside the walls and pull-down over the windows) would stop 100% of harmful rays? Or am I mistaken? Any scientists out there?


21 posted on 08/01/2005 1:31:20 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Chris Webster - America's Greatest Torch Singer - www.babyswan.com)
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Sheesh! Just fly at night! Problem solved! ;^)


22 posted on 08/01/2005 1:32:10 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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Just one more reason why I prefer time travel.


29 posted on 08/01/2005 1:35:32 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (You can't rollerskate in a buffalo herd, but you can be happy if you've a mind to. - Roger Miller)
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The article is mostly true, except the following:

The risks are smaller for older people because cancers have less time to develop. But women are always in more danger than men because they live longer...

The risks are smaller for older people because they grow less new cells. Cells that produce new cells (bone marrow, embryos) are the most susceptible. Nerve cells are almost immune to low level radiation. Women are in more danger, not because of longevity, but because of more new cell production (ovaries, mammaries).

The drinking water used for the mission, if placed around the perimeter of the ship, could reduce neutron radiation exposure. Dense materials (like lead) would have to be used to shield the astronauts from gamma/cosmic radiation. It would be quite expensive to put enough shielding into orbit and then install it on the ship. Not impossible though.

I always thought that heat dissipation would be another significant problem. Any comments?

37 posted on 08/01/2005 1:42:12 PM PDT by kidd
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Uh ooh, I think we're stuck here for a while. Can't we all just get along?

The logistics of space travel, the distances, time, food, water, engergy are kind of a problem. That's why I don't believe the UFO nuts, earnest though they be.

Question: Since everything on Earth existed since the creation, though some things have changed form, have the space probes that have left Earth's orbit actually changed the planet or are they so infinitesimally small as to make no difference?


39 posted on 08/01/2005 1:43:19 PM PDT by garyhope (The Islamofascists want Western civilization dead. Simple as that.)
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The study's lead author, the FAA's Wallace Friedberg, highlights other work suggesting that heavy nuclei in cosmic radiation cause "serious brain damage" in mice, leading to memory loss.

Now we know why the leftists demoncraps are so bain dramaged.

42 posted on 08/01/2005 1:47:18 PM PDT by Mister_Diddy_Wa_Diddy
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