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Judges dressing down sloppy jurors and defendants
The Washington Times ^ | 8-1-05 | Metro

Posted on 08/01/2005 12:04:05 PM PDT by JZelle

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To: Rebelbase

To wander around in, yeah . . . but I bet He'd have dressed properly for worship.


41 posted on 08/01/2005 12:53:38 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: RushLake

No bragging, just fact. Showed up well dressed, answered questions respectfully--evidently, the attorneys don't want that kind of juror.


42 posted on 08/01/2005 12:55:00 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: cubreporter
We have certain clothing we wear to church.

Strange that you should bring church clothing into this.

James 2:1-4 My dear brothers and sisters,* how can you claim that you have faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ if you favor some people more than others?
2 For instance, suppose someone comes into your meeting* dressed in fancy clothes and expensive jewelry, and another comes in who is poor and dressed in shabby clothes.
3 If you give special attention and a good seat to the rich person, but you say to the poor one, "You can stand over there, or else sit on the floor"-well,
4 doesn't this discrimination show that you are guided by wrong motives?

Taken from the New Living Translation interpretation of the Bible.

43 posted on 08/01/2005 12:56:26 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: TheOtherOne
My dad told me of a story where he saw a lawyer held in contempt (Federal Court) for wearing corduroy jacket. This was probably 30 years ago.

Vinny got in a little bit of trouble for clothes that the Southern judge didn't approve of too.


44 posted on 08/01/2005 12:59:39 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: bikepacker67
So I take it the judge wouldn't want me to show up in bike shorts and SPD cleats... eh?

Well.........that's what I showed up in this AM. But then I showered and changed into more appropriate business attire.

45 posted on 08/01/2005 1:03:20 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Just another Joe

I agree. However, the richest man is the one who tends to wear shorts. He either wears shorts or power suits.

I work at a courthouse, and you should see what judges wear in the secure hallway behind the courtrooms. They wear whatever they want.

In a courthouse, the best dressed people are either defendants or lawyers.


46 posted on 08/01/2005 1:03:58 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: Rebelbase

I hate dressing up for church, but I make it part of my habit, not because I want to impress other people but as a reminder to myself not to take church for granted, that it's a privelege to go. And that it's not about me and how much I hate hose and fancy shoes and dresses in general.


47 posted on 08/01/2005 1:06:03 PM PDT by JenB
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To: NathanR
I agree. However, the richest man is the one who tends to wear shorts.

Shouldn't matter whether it's the richest, the poorest, or in the middle.
If you show up for jury dury in clothing that is acceptable on the street, that should be enough.
To my way of thinking, defendant is the same way.

Of course, if you want to be treated as a, more than, respectable member of society, decorum is the key.
Most courtrooms are not the place to show up as a defendant wearing cutoffs, a tank top, and flip-flops if you want to be seen as anything other than a scumbag.
Conversely, if you don't care; come in the buff.

48 posted on 08/01/2005 1:09:16 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: bikepacker67
So I take it the judge wouldn't want me to show up in bike shorts and SPD cleats... eh?

That depends... If we are talking mountain, please remove the two "saber-tooth" spikes from each toe before coming into court. I must assume we are talking baggies here, not the standard roadie tights. A loose fitting cool max shirt (sleeved) would be appropriate, but please ensure you are pre-ride, rather than post-ride for the sake of those sitting near you.

Now if we are going roadie, all bets are off. Please at least have the good sense to be discrete - one should not be able to tell a gentleman's religion, nor is it polite for women to point. And ditch the SPDs fer cryin' out loud. Go to Look, or preferably speedplay - but do use cleat covers for silence and safety. As a general rule most team jerseys are OK. I would avoid jerseys citing ones favorite beer, and most Primal wear, except, perhaps, the stars-n-stripes jersey. Blazin' Saddle by Pearl is another no-no (tacky). Plain colors are preferable, and although your high standards will be lost on virtually everyone, Assos is a nice choice IMHO.

49 posted on 08/01/2005 1:12:51 PM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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Ah, yes, I see the people who "claim" to be conservatives are out in force on this thread. Anyone who thinks a judge should have the power to force people to wear what he/she thinks is appropriate is not a conservative. Workplace dress is up to the people who own the workplace. A courthouse is owned by the public. While I grant that the judge has the right to jail anyone for comtempt I question the right and I question the abuse of power that many judges stoop to simply because they can.

A judge imposing his concept of dressing properly is no better than a judge who imposes his concept of what the constitution should say instead of what it does say. IMO.

50 posted on 08/01/2005 1:14:21 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: quark

It is a little strange to see middle-aged men dressing as they did when in grade school: t-shirts, ball caps, short pants and sneakers. Recall that we rarely saw Ward Cleaver ("Leave it to Beaver") without a tie. Now there was a 'Dad'.
Church, court, PTA, public hangings, etc.--dress up a little. Show some respect for others, if not yourself.
Besides it helps reveal stinking hippies, before you get close enough to smell them . . .


51 posted on 08/01/2005 1:14:58 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Just another Joe


Or better yet, take your clothes off, and be hauled off by the bailiffs. The reason, lawyers give defendants a change of clothes is so that they don't look like street thugs. (even if they are)


52 posted on 08/01/2005 1:15:18 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: squarebarb

WOW...I guess I'll MAKE SURE to never visit you!!!!


53 posted on 08/01/2005 1:20:43 PM PDT by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: RushLake
I am amazed at the number of posters on this thread that brag about the ends they have gone to to avoid being seated on a jury.

I agree with you. I'd kill to be on a jury. Uh, wait a minute. I should probably rephrase that.

Seriesly folks, as a juror, you are the most powerful you will ever be as a citizen of this country. You have the ability and duty to judge both the law and the facts of the case. Prosecutors were having a hell of a time getting convictions towards the end of prohibition. Seems the folks were less than thrilled with the prospect of convicting people of something that they didn't feel was an actual crime.

54 posted on 08/01/2005 1:29:00 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: calex59
Not "claiming" to be a conservative -- am a conservative. Just not a libertarian who celebrates the preeminence of the individual over everyone and everything.

Workplace dress is determined by those who control the workplace. A courthouse may be "owned" the the citizens, but in our republican form of government, the citizens delegate the authority to its representatives.

55 posted on 08/01/2005 1:29:07 PM PDT by quark
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To: Rebelbase
I find the whole concept of dressing up to go to church plank-eyed blindness.

I would contend that stereotyping based on one's level of dress falls more readily under that category than any particular dress code.

Or do you believe that the admonition of James not to have low regard for a brother in Christ due to their mode of dress is waived if the person is in nice clothing?

56 posted on 08/01/2005 1:30:07 PM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: cubreporter
It's about time. There is a time and place for everything and I've often wondered how a Judge allows such cheap, disrespectful dress in his/her courtroom. We have certain clothing we wear to church. That's it. After all the church and the courtroom are not the beach and park.

I agree. A courtroom is a serious place, where serious issues are going to be decided, people should dress appropriately.

57 posted on 08/01/2005 1:32:52 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: zeugma
I'd kill to be on a jury.

I know how you feel. I felt the exact same way. Then I sat on one.

58 posted on 08/01/2005 1:35:03 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (As for the types of comments I make,sometimes I just, By God,get carried away with my own eloquence.)
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To: ShadowDancer

I have never-not once-been called for jury duty. I'd like to, just to see what it's like.


59 posted on 08/01/2005 1:36:25 PM PDT by TheBigB (How'd you lovely ladies like a nice big dose of vitamin *me*?)
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To: TheBigB

Basically, it sucks. I wouldn't try to get out of it but it really does.


60 posted on 08/01/2005 1:37:30 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (As for the types of comments I make,sometimes I just, By God,get carried away with my own eloquence.)
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