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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: 1dadof3

You're right, we should never change our minds based upon new evidence!

/sarcasm


501 posted on 08/01/2005 7:14:31 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: chariotdriver
You want empircalevidence and proof from those you describe as creationists.

I've asked for evidence. I've never asked for "proof". You could construct a better argument if you stuck to facts, rather than making up my position and trying to argue a strawman.

Yet for your argument you say that theory's and science are true, yet unproven.

Theories in science are always unproven. I've never made an absolute statement on the truth value of any scientific theory. Again, you're making things up rather than sticking to facts.
502 posted on 08/01/2005 7:15:05 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Matchett-PI; balrog666
Matthew 7:6

Keeping with the Bacon theme, Bal :-)

504 posted on 08/01/2005 7:15:49 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: bobdsmith
...or were carnivourous catapillars carried on the ark as a seperate kind?

Kept in a separate section under a sign reading "do not play well with others."

505 posted on 08/01/2005 7:16:32 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: balrog666
I almost wish I had your ping list to call them to this monkey cage of cretins.

The list was deployed. Post 10.

506 posted on 08/01/2005 7:17:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: furball4paws

Noone anne Singg?


507 posted on 08/01/2005 7:18:12 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: 1dadof3

Why don't you demand scientific proof of the Theory of Gravitation, or scientific proof of the Atomic Theory? The fact is, scientific theories can never be proven, they can only gather mountains of evidence in their favor.


508 posted on 08/01/2005 7:20:13 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: b_sharp

Bobby Burns.


509 posted on 08/01/2005 7:20:51 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: kharaku

We can accept evolution without accepting it as a reason to deny or ignore God. God evidently used evolution. But, this knowledge cannot, as the atheists claim, rid us of the only answer to the ultimate fill-in-the-blank: "in the beginning _______."

If a thing is true, it is from God. Fossils are old. Fossils show a pattern. And now, we are seeing similar evidence in the genomes of those we are studying.

Unlike sin, including sexual immorality, science and history and the ways that they inform us about the nature of the universe that God made should not be made stumbling blocks or tests for fellowship.


510 posted on 08/01/2005 7:22:19 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US www.LifeEthics.org)
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To: Quick1

Actually, I read a good chunk of it


511 posted on 08/01/2005 7:23:19 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: furball4paws
Snails and caterpillars wouldn't cut it on a Monday night.

Timing is everything. You gotta post these threads right after shift-change time at the ol' sawmill.

512 posted on 08/01/2005 7:23:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: 1dadof3

HhhMMMMMMMmmmmmm.

1D
adof - 3

Oh yeh!.

D. Adolph III. One of the Boys from Brazil crowd. Often wondered what happened to him.


513 posted on 08/01/2005 7:23:34 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws; Matchett-PI; 1dadof3
Matchett-PI posted a link to Dr. Collins. His statements on evolution follow the ideas posted by Ichy. He also has a figure comparing the mice to human much as Ichy did with monkeys, etal.

"Evolution tells us that humans and mice diverged about 80 million years ago. And yet, when you line up their sequences of the same homologous gene, you see very interesting evidences of similarity. Figure 3 is a complicated diagram showing this relationship. At the bottom is a schematic of part of chromosome 7 (CFTR is, by the way, is the gene for cystic fibrosis) but 500 kilobases away from that is a gene called CAPZA2 which is chosen at random. Across the top is a schematic of part of that CAPZA2 gene in the human. Each one of those funny looking symbols is one of these repetitive sequences. You need not concern yourself much about those; they are just different types of transposable elements and other types of repeats."

And he goes on to mention the chimp, just as Ichy does:

"It is not just a human/mouse comparison one can do. Eric Green at the Genome Institute has looked at this same region in many other species and, in fact, you can find this same CAPZA2 gene in everything from chimps down to zebra fishes and a lot of things in between (see Figure 4). Notice the pattern. The chimpanzee is almost 100% identical to the human, except the chimp has a deletion just before exon 2 that we do not have. Otherwise the match-up, as in most cases of human and chimp comparison, is about 98.5% to 99%. You can see that the baboon is starting to diverge. The cat and the dog and the cow all look a lot alike, and again if you look at the CAPZA2 exons, you will see that every one of those species has a nice conserved little segment there. But as you get further away to rats, mouse, chicken, two different kinds of pufferfish and then a zebra fish, about the only thing you see is the protein encoding regions, while the rest of the scattered noise goes away. Again, this is a very compelling kind of pattern in terms of what one would expect from evolution."

514 posted on 08/01/2005 7:23:58 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: chariotdriver
"You want empircalevidence and proof from those you describe as creationists.

"Yet for your argument you say that theory's and science are true, yet unproven.

He asked for proof, not evidence. We ask for evidence, when we ask.

"Fascinating
Please tell more, much more.

The Word(tm) is supposed to be absolute, it should be able to supply proof. Theories are not absolute and only require evidence that has passed the falsification test.

515 posted on 08/01/2005 7:24:54 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Serpentor

Answers: I don't know - reaction to implication?

and

yes, we do, although perhaps not any serpent that had offspring that we would recognize if it bit us today.


516 posted on 08/01/2005 7:25:15 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US www.LifeEthics.org)
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To: 1dadof3
But you said...cats, dogs, cows look alike???. WOW!

You sir, are either mistaken or a liar.

517 posted on 08/01/2005 7:25:47 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Quick1
The best part of his post is, you wil NEVER see that much evidence of creation in a single post.

Creation does not need bluster bomb posts to substantiate the existence and orderly workings of the heavens and the earth. They were present and have been the object of scientific study before you and I were born. Without a Creator there would be no creation. It's that simple.

Evolutionism, OTOH, must present itself with all the ostentation of a professional whore in court, declaring in sufficient detail what is, and what is not, lawful fornication; how infinite possibilities over an indefinite period of time can, and do, explain all there is. It's that complex.

518 posted on 08/01/2005 7:26:27 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Dimensio
I've asked for evidence.

Well I'm not a creationist whatever that is. And I dont reject or eject parts of science.
But Science is a methodology a mechanism for testing phenomena in the physical universe ASIMOV. Scientific methods are unable to test or validate what is beyond them.
But I think You know that.

I've never made an absolute statement on the truth value of any scientific theory.

Your position is like a swarm of gnats all bunched together on a summer night. Its kind of visible, but you can put your hand right through it.
519 posted on 08/01/2005 7:26:28 PM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: furball4paws

Ruby slippers and all?


520 posted on 08/01/2005 7:27:12 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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