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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: ICE-FLYER
They see nothing wrong with teaching THEORY as FACT

I see you bailed out of school in the 6th grade.

321 posted on 08/01/2005 4:24:36 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildHorseCrash

Actually, I would prefer a genuinely Catholic hospital. I am sure that "cutting edge" medical treatment would be available, and more than that, it would be a good place to be if that is when my life goes terminal, as all life does.


322 posted on 08/01/2005 4:24:57 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Asphalt
"Not quite the rock-solid evidence it is portrayed to be

Go read any other theory. They all use that language. Why you may ask? Because all theories can, have in the past, and will in the future, be modified as new information comes to light. This new information tends to focus the theory to something that approximates a local truth.

This language does not reflect the acceptance or the 'solidness' of the evidence.

323 posted on 08/01/2005 4:27:04 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: ICE-FLYER
what we have an know cam from reversing the laws of physics

Did you pay $79.95 for that DVD?

324 posted on 08/01/2005 4:29:26 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Asphalt
"Jeffy, you need to rread-up. The Bible talks all about retroviruses...

What? You can't be serious.

325 posted on 08/01/2005 4:29:52 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I don't understand. What are you trying to say?


326 posted on 08/01/2005 4:31:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Asphalt
Unfortunatly I haven't been able to free up the time to read all of your FR posts. Someday perhaps.

The post in question is just a little ways up the thread.

I somehow find the explanation far from satisfactory

In what way?

327 posted on 08/01/2005 4:31:41 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Rockingham; narby

The misuse of the concept of evolution is a reflection of those that use it that way, not of evolution itself. No matter what we humans do with the knowledge of evolution, those actions have no bearing on the veracity of the fact of evolution nor on the theory of evolution.


328 posted on 08/01/2005 4:34:55 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: JeffAtlanta; Ichneumon
Read just the first section about retroviruses . . .

Without observing in history how and when ERV's have been introduced, how do we know they are not simply part of the plans of an intelligent designer, in the works and present from the beginning? IMO the conclusion of common ancestry is not totally unreasonable, but it is premature without a longer period of direct observation. I find it interesting that arguments from probablility are allowed when it comes to the location of ERV's as passed down through generations, but they are, in the opinion of some evolutionists, invalid for arguing self-organization as a result of intelligent design (or lack thereof). The dreaded "argument from retro astonishment," as it were.

I admit on the face of it that I understand the biblical texts to be true expositions of how the world and mankind came to be. That is my working assumption; the glasses through which I view whatever other texts and evidence may present themselves to me. May I ask if you have such a guiding set of assumptions, or do you make them up as you go along, or do you work with absolutely no set of assumptions?

329 posted on 08/01/2005 4:36:58 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: WildHorseCrash
9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of ; and shall be his servant.
330 posted on 08/01/2005 4:39:06 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I blame entropy)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Without observing in history how and when ERV's have been introduced, how do we know they are not simply part of the plans of an intelligent designer,

You mean like syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS? All some wandering god's little plan?

331 posted on 08/01/2005 4:40:08 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Elsie
All The Koran is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Some people believe that. But it turns out badly

332 posted on 08/01/2005 4:49:36 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I blame entropy)
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To: balrog666
You mean like syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS?

I believe the word "ubiquitous" was ascribed to these ERVs. Maybe you have all of the above, but I, and most folks whom I know, have none, so I guess you have no point to make other than to demonstrate your inherent bias against truth.

333 posted on 08/01/2005 4:50:56 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: kharaku
why don't we visit a public high school and see how many books are still there which claimed the Piltdown and Nebraska Man were 100% true examples of evolution shall we?

Please visit and let us know. The fact that you believe such books are actually in your public library prove you are quite gullible to accept someone else's myths without doing any research yourself.

334 posted on 08/01/2005 4:54:57 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I believe the word "ubiquitous" was ascribed to these ERVs. Maybe you have all of the above, but I, and most folks whom I know, have none, so I guess you have no point to make other than to demonstrate your inherent bias against truth.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. And that's a fact every reader of these threads already knows.

335 posted on 08/01/2005 4:55:59 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Elsie

There is a line between those that view such biblical stories as metaphores and those that view them as historical accounts.


336 posted on 08/01/2005 4:56:03 PM PDT by Serpentor (go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: Ichneumon
Frankly, I don't see anything in the real-life DNA mutation map which looks any different from these truly random runs.

The first thing to ask is what would happen if your program were allowed to play itself out in the genetic arena. What would you predict?

The second is to ask whether one should expect anything organized, or "clustered," where mutations are involved. I don't see anything that, at least to the eye, lends itself to an unsually consistent, let alone predictable, result in running your mutation map program (at least in the short time you let it fly), and IMO it should be that way. Mutations, ERV's etc. are noise. They are not natural. The natural, intended performance of biological entities should tend toward perfection. True to the biblical texts, we do not see this.

Lastly, even if the sequence on the surface appears to be gibberish, often what appear to be random patterns are at bottom explanatory of communication, design, intelligence, and all that pertains to an Almighy Being's involvement with the creation.

338 posted on 08/01/2005 5:07:51 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: b_sharp

Depends upon the game, I suppose...


339 posted on 08/01/2005 5:08:30 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: BenLurkin
I don't understand. What are you trying to say?

You are saying that God planned those DNA sequences, which have no other purpose than to created a "legend" - a false hiatory of origin to deceive anyone curious enough to investigate.

How Slytherin of Him.

340 posted on 08/01/2005 5:11:28 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I blame entropy)
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