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Uncomfortably Numb (Lethal injection looks painless and peaceful. Appearances can be deceiving...)
River Front Times ^ | Malcolm Gay

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:09:16 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: nickcarraway
After a meal of shrimp, catfish, French fries, a strawberry milk shake and lemon meringue pie,

What a waste of good southern cooking.

81 posted on 08/01/2005 10:59:26 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: sean327

That's cruel and unusual punishment for the tax payers.


82 posted on 08/01/2005 11:01:43 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: nickcarraway

"may render Johnston completely paralyzed but fully conscious and susceptible to pain."

And the problem is...?


83 posted on 08/01/2005 11:01:48 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: null and void

What's wrong with a bullet in the head?

China even bills for the bullet.


84 posted on 08/01/2005 11:02:24 AM PDT by zek157
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To: vetvetdoug
. I often wondered why we (veterinarians) are more caring about the animals than the Medical Doctors are about the prisoners about to be put to sleep.

Because the animals that you put down are innocent. Their only "guilt" is to have contracted a painful condition, a disease, or lived too long to be able make it to the back yard. Furthermore, the beast that you dispatch is much more than the sum of its biology to its owner. The circumstance of a pets death will linger for a long time in the mind of its owner and you do your business wise by being just as respectful of the spiritual bond that you are breaking as you are of the physical.

As for the criminals, they don't deserve a "good death", but society does so that executions can be carried out without cause of interference from outside groups. Guilt should be without doubt and so should the absence of cruel and unusual.

85 posted on 08/01/2005 11:03:37 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: joe fonebone
I got a better idea..........take 10000 of 'em, give them each a dollar, put them on a deserted island, and tell them it takes 10000 dollars to get off the island.....when they have killed themselves off, and 1 guy with 10000 is left, simply say " sorry pal, we lied, here are 10000 more. now it takes 20000 to get off"...............

You are one sick puppy. And I like you a whole lot.

How about we take all the Arab types at Gitmo and put them on an island too? With nothing to eat by Porky Pig?

Auh-DEE-Buh-Duh, Auh-DEE-Buh-Duh, uh, THAT'S ALL FOLKS!

86 posted on 08/01/2005 11:10:53 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: elbucko

Ahh....the whole article is specious at best.

It is predicated on the person 'waking up' from a too small dose of Thiopental before he's dead.

Give him more thiopental, and the problem is taken care of...not to mention that within 45 seconds of cardiac arrest the lack of blood flow to the brain will render him amnesic anyway.

As someone who has administered a LOT of thiopental, I can tell you that even with a commonly accepted anesthetic induction dose of about 4-5 mg/kg (and I would bet they give even more) that the person would not be remembering anything for at least 15 minutes (in all likelihood longer) and in that time the person would be dead from the potassium and induced cardiac arrest.


87 posted on 08/01/2005 11:13:07 AM PDT by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: nickcarraway

Just stop feeding him. They say it's euphoric and will even make him beautiful.


88 posted on 08/01/2005 11:13:42 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: null and void
I'm wondering how susceptible to pain his wife was when he killed her in the manner that he did. He deserves nothing less that what he inflicted upon her, sniveling coward that he is.
89 posted on 08/01/2005 11:13:42 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: nickcarraway

It is amazing to hear the crys of: disembowl him, "draw and quarter" him, eye for an eye, etc.

Most people on this forum profess to believe in the Constitution. It seems as if for many it is a conditional belief. Whereas, they only believe in the Constitution when they agree with what it says. That is the same mindset held by many leftists. (see abortion and gun control, socialism etc.)

It is well within the law to review a method of execution to see if it is allowed under the Eighth Amendment. There is obvisouly some question as to whether the drug cocktail used works as advertised. So it fair to review it.

You can agree or disagree whether the method is cruel and unusual, but to call for executions that obviously fall outside of what the Eighth Amendment allows is asinine.

Next thing you know you will arguing that the Fourth Amendment prevents States from regulating abortions.

Disclosure:

I have no moral or substantive problem the death penalty as applied to those who deserve it.

However, I am against it on procedural grounds. I think our criminal justice is system is far too corrupt, and/or incompetent to have such absolute power.


90 posted on 08/01/2005 11:19:17 AM PDT by 13foxtrot
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To: nickcarraway

.22 hollow point?


91 posted on 08/01/2005 11:22:30 AM PDT by schaketo (Not all who wander are lost)
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To: TAdams8591
Partial birth abortion techniques already pass muster with liberals. Furthermore, the "partial birth" line of demarcation is purely arbitrary; there is nothing magic about it.

Therefore, as a logical and practical matter liberals should have no substantive objection on "cruel and unusual punishment" grounds to shoving scissors into the base of his skull (no anesthetic, of course) and shoving a vacuum cleaner hose into the gap.

92 posted on 08/01/2005 11:25:36 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
How deos Dr. Kavorkian put'em to sleep?

Good question. His patients want to die.

93 posted on 08/01/2005 11:40:38 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: nickcarraway
To paraphrase a Dem we all know and love, "that depends on what the "definition of 'and' is"! The Constitution prohibits punishments that are cruel and unusual. Even if they find the lethal injection cruel, which it is not, is it also unusual?
94 posted on 08/01/2005 11:41:05 AM PDT by TChris ("You tweachewous miscweant!" - Elmer Fudd)
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To: TChris

""The worst-case scenario is that you wake after a sub-anesthetic dose of sodium pentothal. [You've already received] a paralyzing dose of Pavulon -- and experience the torment of suffocation and conscious paralysis -- and then the agony of the burning potassium chloride," says Mark Heath, an anesthesiologist at Columbia University Medical Center in New York. "There are abundant examples of people who wake up in the middle of surgery feeling everything -- having the full experience of pain and terror, but [because of the Pavulon] are unable to communicate in any way that they're awake.""

Maybe they should just ut duct tape on the convicts mouth, give him the Pavulon and then the family can repeatedly stab him until he is dead.

Or just forget the valium and put a bullet in the back of his head.





95 posted on 08/01/2005 11:43:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: joe fonebone

Inflation, eh?


96 posted on 08/01/2005 11:47:06 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: vetvetdoug

"We had a euthanasia drug similar to what is used for lethal injection and it was taken off of the market because it was cruel and inhumane."

Was it really cruel and inhumane, or was it just suggested that it was by annimal rights activists with no proof?

"I often wondered why we (veterinarians) are more caring about the animals than the Medical Doctors are about the prisoners about to be put to sleep."

All the evidence points to the current mixture of drugs working. The suggestion that people migh wake up is based on patients who received smaller than normal doses because of fears about their poor health. Convicts receive a much larger than normal dose, not a smaller dose.

Lethal injection does not take a long period of time like a surgery often does.

There are suggestions that other drug mixtures might work better. There is a long history of the current drugs working at their intended goal of killing in a humane way.

There's no reason to change what works.


97 posted on 08/01/2005 11:47:26 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Vaquero
leaving him unable to move, cry out or communicate in any way as he slowly suffocates, "consciously [suffering] an excruciating painful and protracted death."

As far as I've always been concerned, this is more or less the way it should be.

98 posted on 08/01/2005 11:48:47 AM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Tennessee_Bob

I agree, unless someone complains about the pain, let's just keep it this way.


99 posted on 08/01/2005 12:02:36 PM PDT by Barb4Bush
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To: Go_Raiders

Oxygen deprivation is exactly what PETA wants...for chickens. Because it's supposedly painless. As long as the sentence gets carried out somehow, it works for me.


100 posted on 08/01/2005 12:14:22 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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