Bone grips on my son's[now my] ported Champion.
Posted on 07/31/2005 10:05:59 PM PDT by DuckFan4ever
No Mishandling, Negligence Involved
SALEM, Ore. -- Investigators say they now know how a Marion County deputy was accidentally shot in the leg Wednesday night by his own gun. Steven Cooper was on duty, getting out of his unmarked squad car when his Glock handgun discharged inside his holster.
The bullet went through his lower right leg, causing "substantial" injuries to major blood vessels and arteries, as well as to his tibia. The bullet was lodged in the bone.
An investigation determined that the firing was not the result of mishandling of the handgun or other form of negligence by Cooper.
The deputy was wearing a jacket with drawstrings and toggles to adjust the waistband. It is believed that one of the plastic toggles worked its way into the gun holster and became entangled in the trigger guard.
When Cooper extended his arm to push open the car door, his coat became taut and the waistband pulled up. The drawstring tightened enough to pull the trigger.
Cooper, a 10-year veteran of the sheriff's office, is assigned to a bicycle patrol officer and is a member of the Marion County Interagency SWAT Team.
The Thumb Safety is a modified smoothed aftermarket version that sits flush with the frame.
From the same article that measured the Glock trigger pull, I read it a little more closely and it stated that typical DA revolver pull is 12 to 14 pounds.
Does that sound about right?
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_50/ai_n6209982
The cop either:
A. Holstered his weapon with the coat caught in between the holster and weapon, thus his error, or:
B. Holstered his weapon with his finger on the trigger, again, his error.
No jacket zipper or "toggle" can work it's way into a quality holster, or for that matter, a cheap holster that covers the trigger.
And before Glocks were king of the hill for police weapons, the leader of the bunch for ND's was the 1911. I've seen several holes in a gunshop from cops unholstering their 1911's. Nothing new there.
I state again, if you don't pay attention, you will get bit.
Exactly.
That's the way ADs during holstering always happen, isn't it?
Bone grips on my son's[now my] ported Champion.
The five-pound connector mated with the standard trigger spring is what comes out of the box when a private citizen buys most models of Glocks. It is said to have an average pull of 5.5 pounds. In measuring this combo on my G22, Dave got four pounds, 1.5 ounces when the gauge was hooked to the toe of the trigger, and six pounds on the nose when he attached it to the center of the trigger.
A supposed 5.5 pound trigger, which measured from the toe actually was just over 4 pounds in this instance, and from the center, 6 pounds.
Note that the pull measured on this particular gun was a pound and a half lower then the factory spec. Interesting eh?
"we" weren't part of this discussion.....
Travis seemed to think you guys were part of the discussion, so take it up with him.
The Glock standard trigger pull is 5.5 pounds, though I believe that New York Police use a different connector spring requiring 8 pounds. There's also a NY-2 pull that runs around 12 pounds. Tricked trigger pulls are often around 3.5 pounds. It's a 2 stage pull with a well-defined boundary between the take-up and release portion of the pull.
From what I've read, revolvers use a pull around 11-14 pounds in double-action.
Trigger pull on the typical 1911 is harder to pin down. I've read of typical out-of-the-box pulls of 4-5 pounds, and at least one source speaks of a "GI" pull of 6 pounds. Competition triggers are around 3.5-4 pounds.
Trigger pull should be measured at the center of the finger surface of the trigger. Since the Glock's trigger pivots like that of a revolver, it will have an easier pull at the toe of the trigger than at the center of the surface where measurement is normally made. It's simple leverage.
Yes, I got that. According to the article though, Glock measures from the toe. I have no idea if that's true, but that's what was stated.
I got a little confused reading that article at first, because they jumped from talking about a standard glock and then they gave the measurement for a modified one. Further down I found the paragraph I posted for the stock one.
Why anyone would measure from the toe I don't know. Isn't your finger usually in the middle of the trigger? Mine is, so I agree with you, that's where you should measure. It just makes sense.
Yep, a standard, "unworked" factory DA revolver trigger is around 12-14 pounds. And it's a pretty long movement too, less likely to just go off because of snagging something.
Another example of someone coming down with "glock leg"...
Then when I asked "How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical 1911?" you respond with:
DA or SA?!
Boy, you really do know your guns!
And yes, carrying a Glock with a round up the spout is (safety-wise) about as safe as carrying a 1911 (BTW, they are SA) with the hammer back over a live round, safety off, and the grip safety pinned.
Both a standard Glock and a standard 1911 will let off within a pound of five pounds of pressure being put on the trigger. Only that 1911 has a couple of safeties.....that are not on the trigger!
Now, tell me how it would be perfectly safe to carry a locked and cocked 1911, safety off, no grip safety.
If you had said that a Glock is like carrying a .45 Colt model 1911, hammer forward on a chambered round, with the safety off, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Bottom line: if for any reason 6# of pressure is applied to a glock trigger, it's going to go bang.
Same-same a 1911, with the hammer back, safety off, grip safety deactivated.
The 1911 also won't go off if you don't touch the trigger, but I don't think many folks would carry it that way and consider it safe.
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