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Deputy Shot When Jacket Toggle Tangles With Trigger(update on Salem Deputy)
KOIN ^ | 7/29/2005 | KOIN

Posted on 07/31/2005 10:05:59 PM PDT by DuckFan4ever

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To: DB
Glock's have no true manual safeties
You pull the trigger and it goes BANG which is why the so called " New York trigger" was designed ( increase the trigger weight )
Even with that the pistol needs a holster that really blocs entry to the trigger area
Still sometime S*** happens
41 posted on 10/01/2005 8:04:29 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: Shooter 2.5
I have a steel mainspring housing on mine, like you said. It came off a vintage blued 1911, but was Parkerized before I bought it out of an orphaned parts bin at a show.

The Thumb Safety is a modified smoothed aftermarket version that sits flush with the frame.

42 posted on 10/01/2005 8:13:23 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: Travis McGee

From the same article that measured the Glock trigger pull, I read it a little more closely and it stated that typical DA revolver pull is 12 to 14 pounds.

Does that sound about right?

Here's a link to the article.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_50/ai_n6209982


43 posted on 10/01/2005 8:13:56 AM PDT by planekT (Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.)
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To: DuckFan4ever
Same old poop all over again. If you don't pay attention, you will get bit.

The cop either:

A. Holstered his weapon with the coat caught in between the holster and weapon, thus his error, or:

B. Holstered his weapon with his finger on the trigger, again, his error.

No jacket zipper or "toggle" can work it's way into a quality holster, or for that matter, a cheap holster that covers the trigger.

And before Glocks were king of the hill for police weapons, the leader of the bunch for ND's was the 1911. I've seen several holes in a gunshop from cops unholstering their 1911's. Nothing new there.

I state again, if you don't pay attention, you will get bit.

44 posted on 10/01/2005 8:17:14 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Eaker
Pure BS. No retention holster or any holster that I know of except maybe an Uncle Mike has room for a "toggle" to work its way into it.

Exactly.

45 posted on 10/01/2005 8:20:47 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap
"... B. Holstered his weapon with his finger on the trigger, again, his error."

That's the way ADs during holstering always happen, isn't it?

46 posted on 10/01/2005 8:40:43 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
I went with all flat mainspring housings and ambi safeties because I'm left handed. The Ed Brown safeties are a little better than the others because they recognize the need for a larger right side safety for us "other handed" people. I don't mind the Glocks for the safety issue. I don't like them because life's too short to shoot ugly guns.

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Bone grips on my son's[now my] ported Champion.

47 posted on 10/01/2005 8:46:21 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: planekT
Sorry for all the posts, but that article skips around on some different trigger setups they measured for the Glock. Here's the relevant paragraph of what they found on a stock Glock 22.

The five-pound connector mated with the standard trigger spring is what comes out of the box when a private citizen buys most models of Glocks. It is said to have an average pull of 5.5 pounds. In measuring this combo on my G22, Dave got four pounds, 1.5 ounces when the gauge was hooked to the toe of the trigger, and six pounds on the nose when he attached it to the center of the trigger.

A supposed 5.5 pound trigger, which measured from the toe actually was just over 4 pounds in this instance, and from the center, 6 pounds.

Note that the pull measured on this particular gun was a pound and a half lower then the factory spec. Interesting eh?

48 posted on 10/01/2005 9:41:29 AM PDT by planekT (Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; Eaker; planekT; Mulder; river rat
How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a standard Glock?

Any Glock I'm familiar with has a minimum of a 5lb trigger pull.

How man pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical revolver, DA?

We're not talking about revolvers here, but that is some dang fine obfuscation.

How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical 1911?

DA or SA?! You appear to think they're the same, so I'm probably wasting my time here. This was the whole point of my response. You were comparing a Glock to a 1911 with the hammer back. That's SA, FYI.

Get back to me when you have the answers.

<sigh>

Just in case you're interested, this is exactly what I was responding to:

A Glock is more like carrying a .45 Colt model 1911, hammer back on a chambered round, with the safety off.

You are explicitly comparing the SA trigger pull of a 1911 to the trigger pull of a Glock. So, your questions about trigger pull on a DA revolver or 1911 are purposely misleading.

If you had said that a Glock is like carrying a .45 Colt model 1911, hammer forward on a chambered round, with the safety off, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
49 posted on 10/01/2005 1:37:34 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk

"we" weren't part of this discussion.....


50 posted on 10/01/2005 1:49:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
"we" weren't part of this discussion.....

Sorry. I was just copying Travis' list. I won't do it again.
51 posted on 10/01/2005 1:51:50 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk

Travis seemed to think you guys were part of the discussion, so take it up with him.


52 posted on 10/01/2005 1:53:26 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Travis McGee
How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a standard Glock? How man pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical revolver, DA? How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical 1911?

The Glock standard trigger pull is 5.5 pounds, though I believe that New York Police use a different connector spring requiring 8 pounds. There's also a NY-2 pull that runs around 12 pounds. Tricked trigger pulls are often around 3.5 pounds. It's a 2 stage pull with a well-defined boundary between the take-up and release portion of the pull.

From what I've read, revolvers use a pull around 11-14 pounds in double-action.

Trigger pull on the typical 1911 is harder to pin down. I've read of typical out-of-the-box pulls of 4-5 pounds, and at least one source speaks of a "GI" pull of 6 pounds. Competition triggers are around 3.5-4 pounds.

53 posted on 10/01/2005 2:15:59 PM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: planekT
Note that the pull measured on this particular gun was a pound and a half lower then the factory spec. Interesting eh?

Trigger pull should be measured at the center of the finger surface of the trigger. Since the Glock's trigger pivots like that of a revolver, it will have an easier pull at the toe of the trigger than at the center of the surface where measurement is normally made. It's simple leverage.

54 posted on 10/01/2005 2:24:08 PM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: meyer

Yes, I got that. According to the article though, Glock measures from the toe. I have no idea if that's true, but that's what was stated.

I got a little confused reading that article at first, because they jumped from talking about a standard glock and then they gave the measurement for a modified one. Further down I found the paragraph I posted for the stock one.

Why anyone would measure from the toe I don't know. Isn't your finger usually in the middle of the trigger? Mine is, so I agree with you, that's where you should measure. It just makes sense.




55 posted on 10/01/2005 4:30:34 PM PDT by planekT (Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.)
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To: planekT

Yep, a standard, "unworked" factory DA revolver trigger is around 12-14 pounds. And it's a pretty long movement too, less likely to just go off because of snagging something.


56 posted on 10/01/2005 9:02:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: DuckFan4ever

Another example of someone coming down with "glock leg"...


57 posted on 10/01/2005 9:07:51 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: andyk
Hey buddy, you really think a Glock has a DA trigger? Really? You are some gun whiz, you know it?

Then when I asked "How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical 1911?" you respond with:

DA or SA?!

Boy, you really do know your guns!

And yes, carrying a Glock with a round up the spout is (safety-wise) about as safe as carrying a 1911 (BTW, they are SA) with the hammer back over a live round, safety off, and the grip safety pinned.

Both a standard Glock and a standard 1911 will let off within a pound of five pounds of pressure being put on the trigger. Only that 1911 has a couple of safeties.....that are not on the trigger!

Now, tell me how it would be perfectly safe to carry a locked and cocked 1911, safety off, no grip safety.

58 posted on 10/01/2005 9:10:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: andyk

If you had said that a Glock is like carrying a .45 Colt model 1911, hammer forward on a chambered round, with the safety off, we wouldn't be having this discussion.




Hammer forward on a 1911 won't do a thing, but click...


59 posted on 10/01/2005 9:29:19 PM PDT by herewego (Piss off a liberal- Be Happy!)
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To: meyer

Bottom line: if for any reason 6# of pressure is applied to a glock trigger, it's going to go bang.

Same-same a 1911, with the hammer back, safety off, grip safety deactivated.

The 1911 also won't go off if you don't touch the trigger, but I don't think many folks would carry it that way and consider it safe.


60 posted on 10/01/2005 9:41:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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