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Deputy Shot When Jacket Toggle Tangles With Trigger(update on Salem Deputy)
KOIN ^ | 7/29/2005 | KOIN

Posted on 07/31/2005 10:05:59 PM PDT by DuckFan4ever

No Mishandling, Negligence Involved

SALEM, Ore. -- Investigators say they now know how a Marion County deputy was accidentally shot in the leg Wednesday night by his own gun. Steven Cooper was on duty, getting out of his unmarked squad car when his Glock handgun discharged inside his holster.

The bullet went through his lower right leg, causing "substantial" injuries to major blood vessels and arteries, as well as to his tibia. The bullet was lodged in the bone.

An investigation determined that the firing was not the result of mishandling of the handgun or other form of negligence by Cooper.

The deputy was wearing a jacket with drawstrings and toggles to adjust the waistband. It is believed that one of the plastic toggles worked its way into the gun holster and became entangled in the trigger guard.

When Cooper extended his arm to push open the car door, his coat became taut and the waistband pulled up. The drawstring tightened enough to pull the trigger.

Cooper, a 10-year veteran of the sheriff's office, is assigned to a bicycle patrol officer and is a member of the Marion County Interagency SWAT Team.


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To: Travis McGee

"A Glock is more like carrying a .45 Colt model 1911, hammer back on a chambered round, with the safety off."

Actually its less safe than quoted above because the 1911 still has the grip safety.


21 posted on 08/02/2005 2:15:40 PM PDT by ampat
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To: ampat
It is guns designed like that that make for confusion about carry safety. I have gotten into messy debates with people that think carrying with one in the pipe is unsafe. For a 1911 while it is not the safest POSSIBLE way to carry it is widely accepted to be a safe condition in a holster.
22 posted on 08/02/2005 2:21:16 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: river rat

You might want to check out the new Taurus 1911. Bells, whistles, and less than $700. I love my various .45 ACPs and the Kimber is a sweetheart.


23 posted on 08/02/2005 2:27:37 PM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: ampat

Good point, I forgot the grip safety.


24 posted on 08/02/2005 6:00:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
I pinned mine shut, like John Browning's later design on the same platform used.
25 posted on 08/02/2005 6:04:06 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: Travis McGee
A Glock is more like carrying a .45 Colt model 1911, hammer back on a chambered round, with the safety off.

Whoa. I DA pull on a glock takes much more pressure than a 1911 in SA. I don't see how you can even compare them!
26 posted on 09/30/2005 1:09:22 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk
I DA

= The DA

And, I know that the action is not techincally DA, but the pull on a Glock's trigger is very much like the pull on a DA handgun.
27 posted on 09/30/2005 1:11:17 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: DuckFan4ever

This is my major complaint about Glocks. No positive safety, and the trigger pull is NOT like a DA revolver, it's exactly like a SA semi-auto, which it is.


28 posted on 09/30/2005 1:18:17 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: andyk; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; Eaker; planekT; Mulder; river rat

How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a standard Glock?

How man pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical revolver, DA?

How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical 1911?

Get back to me when you have the answers.


29 posted on 09/30/2005 11:39:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: DuckFan4ever; humblegunner; TheMom

Simple answer.

If you cannot understand that a Glock is a "Big Boy" gun have your wife carry it. Then go get yourself a gun with so many safeties that it won't fire unless the Governor is there with a special key.

I am a "Big Boy".

I don't need the Governor or a safety. I have been trained and have trained others.

Glocks are for serious grown-ups. Other than that need not apply.

If you so desperately need a safety then maybe you don't need a handgun.


30 posted on 10/01/2005 4:53:17 AM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix off of my ping list as I have been asked to do.)
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To: DuckFan4ever
The deputy was wearing a jacket with drawstrings and toggles to adjust the waistband. It is believed that one of the plastic toggles worked its way into the gun holster and became entangled in the trigger guard.

Pure BS. No retention holster or any holster that I know of except maybe an Uncle Mike has room for a "toggle" to work its way into it.

A toggles main driving force is gravity. A toggle doesn't work its way anywhere.

31 posted on 10/01/2005 4:57:56 AM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix off of my ping list as I have been asked to do.)
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To: Eaker

These are almost as bad as the wal-mart threads.


32 posted on 10/01/2005 5:06:02 AM PDT by bad company ( Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: CaptSkip

The A75 Astra works the same way. Decocker, no safety, trigger is like a double action for the first shot.


33 posted on 10/01/2005 5:10:20 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: DuckFan4ever

Sounds like the holster design didn't adequately protect the trigger against this type of occurrence.


34 posted on 10/01/2005 5:15:46 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: bad company

Bingo!


35 posted on 10/01/2005 5:27:40 AM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix off of my ping list as I have been asked to do.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

I have yet to figure out why anyone would have to pin the grip safety. If you take the safety out of the pistol, all you have to do is break off the tap which stops the trigger. Without the tab, the trigger can't be blocked.

Unless, you don't like the movement when the grip safety toggles up and down.

Most people don't shoot the 1911 with the high hold, thumb on the thumb safety. Unfortunately, when the high hold is used, the palm of the hand "cups" the grip safety and the safety isn't pressed down. The solution is going back to the original flat mainspring housing.


36 posted on 10/01/2005 5:40:01 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Eaker

Eaker, possessions aren't the measure of a man. Just because they pluck the money down on something, doesn't make them better or worse than the next guy. There have been a lot of wealthy people who died alone.


37 posted on 10/01/2005 5:53:38 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Huh?


38 posted on 10/01/2005 6:17:22 AM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix off of my ping list as I have been asked to do.)
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To: Travis McGee
Is this a loaded question? :-)

How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a standard Glock?

Trigger pull for the Glock is 5.5 pounds. However, I found an article that said Glock measures from the tip of the trigger. When they put the scale in the middle of the trigger in the article it measured 8 pounds.

How man pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical revolver, DA? Haven't found any data on that yet, but since most of the trigger scales only go up to 12 pounds, so I'd say not more then that. My best guess? Around 10 pounds.

How many pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical 1911?

Around 4.5 to 5 pounds.

39 posted on 10/01/2005 7:37:22 AM PDT by planekT (Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.)
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To: planekT
Oops. Forgot to turn the italics off. Should have looked like this.

How man pounds of pressure are required to fire a typical revolver, DA?

Haven't found any data on that yet, but since most of the trigger scales only go up to 12 pounds, so I'd say not more then that. My best guess? Around 10 pounds.

40 posted on 10/01/2005 7:49:28 AM PDT by planekT (Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.)
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