Posted on 07/31/2005 2:46:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
you said above :
"I don't think the government has any business in personal medical decisions, no matter what they may be"
sounds like murder is ok with you as long as it takes place in a hospital.
Privacy as a concept is just to muddy the waters.
The real serious issue is whether Roe is good law. Roe remains a poorly written "bad" decision that deserves to be overturned on any number of NONprivacy grounds. (none religious)
It should be returned to the states for resonable common sense regulations to be decided by the citizens of the several states through their STATE legislators.
I'm not pro-abortion at all, just troubled, as are many FReepers, by government's increasing intrusion into seemingly ALL private areas -- our eating cheeseburgers and owning private property among the latest examples. What's next?
All I meant in my post was if the Dems want to seize upon "privacy" as an issue, they may have found something that strikes a chord with Americans.
However, true to their usual M.O., it's nine times out of ten the Dems are the ones behind whatever the government intrusion is in the first place. They're projecting again, in other words.
You can also make a decision NOT to have an abortion, you know.
I have read the link, and I still disagree. There is nothing in the constitution that guarantees privacy. The federal government is specifically prevented from imposing its will on the states regarding privacy, however. In Roe v. Wade, the federal government imposes a Supreme Court's interpretation of privacy on the states, even though privacy is not mentioned in the constitution.
That is my point; we should be attacking it on those grounds, not by claiming there is no right to privacy.
Democrats and the news media are planning a new strategy to avoid loosing voters because their core value is one that supports abortion on demand. It now seems that the “choice” of words will no longer be “pro-choice”. We should not be surprised because it is the same Democratic tactic that we have seen over and over. Redefine yourselves and try to gather support for an unpopular issue.
Of course the liberals would love us to believe that conservatives are the party of liars and philanderers, but any independent thinker knows differently. Only brain dead lemmings that read and believe the liberal bias in the national news and the Democratic talking points can be convinced that black is white. It’s time that these lemmings learn to think on their own without mindlessly accepting the propaganda and finger pointing.
The pro-choice groups themselves have also been heatedly debating what to do. This spring, activists in New York and Seattle invited Berkeley linguist George Lakoff to speak about how to reframe the abortion issue. The problem is not their terminology. The problem is that abortion is not popular, and no matter how you spice it up it still is unpalatable, and Democrats have discovered that they loose if abortion, and gay marriage are two Democratic core issues. What family values do the Dem’s have besides aborting children, changing the definition of traditional marriage to include homosexuals, passing out condoms to grad school children, and showing them how to use them on a cucumber?
In one of his more controversial suggestions, he advised the activists to reclaim the "life" issue by blaming Republicans for high U.S. infant-mortality rates and mercury pollution that can cause birth defects. "Basically what I'm saying is that conservatives are killing babies," Isn’t this just more of the blame game? The reason the democrats will not win seats in the next national election is that they do not represent the mainstream, and they have no plan, and no new ideas. Their entire approach is to convince voters that Republicans are the bad guys. Frankly, intelligent and informed voters, most of whom are conservative Republicans, cannot be fooled as easily as the Democrat’s core constituency. You will almost never hear a democrat say anything intelligent about the issues. They lack knowledge because the party line is simply to make fun of conservatives, call them toothless, stupid, easily convinced, followers, or say they are the rich who have never had to work for a living.
In fact the exact opposite is true. The Democrat’s core constituency consists of uneducated whites and blacks, and if they are not uneducated propagandist misinforms them. The ruling Democrats are Harvard elite and Hollywood types, who are either anti-Christian, who believe that abortion is not wrong, but a constitutional right, none of these elitists even associate with the lower class Democrats. Rather they consider them rabble, a necessary evil because they need their votes. Surly, in public these left wing elitists fain concern for the plight of the poor who can’t afford children, can’t get by without a government handout.
The liberal media has contributed to the conspiracy of ignorance by hiding the Democrats’ failed social policies that have resulted in the world’s worst AIDS pandemic, a class of welfare recipients who can be counted on to vote Democratic, hiding school statistics that were turning out literates until Congress passed the No Child Left Behind Act. Oh, the uproar created by teacher’s union, which is an arm of the Democratic Party. Their chant is not that we have failed and we need to learn to teach. Instead as all Democrats do, they blamed the Republicans for not “funding” the program. How about learning how to teach English, writing and arithmetic, teachers?
The Democrats don’t need new lyrics; they need to sing a different song. They need to get in step with mainstream America. But that’s not going to happen, and it’s a good thing for the country.
That abortion occurs in private is neither here nor there. I'm sure child molestors, too, would like to justify child molestation as a matter of privacy. The Democratic Party thinks so little of the people in the Heartland it thinks they will go from opposing abortion as murder to supporting it just because the Democrats frame it as a matter of "privacy." Nobody will be fooled by the Democrats' word games.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
The government is only legitimate when it protects the right not to be killed, does so without discrimination. There's no consideration of privacy when it comes to infringing on the right not to be killed.
Government's just for the cases when those unalienable rights are being or have been violated. As when one human being's right not to be killed or threatened is infringed by another's.
And to the "privacy" argument, ask them if you have the right to commit crimes "privately".
Why don't they just call it what they are, "Pro-Baby Killing."
Same as it ever was.......
The only thing Dems believe in is killing more babies.
If they turn their back on that, what will they have left?
The Dems sure do want to limit the privacy and conscience of pharmacists.
The very fact that there is a debate about conscience laws negates the "privacy" argument.
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