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Pro Choice Groups May Drop 'Choice' in Abortion Debate
NewsMax ^ | 7/31/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 07/31/2005 2:46:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Motherbear

Granted. I'm just leery of ANY government intrusion into personal lives, whether it be for good or ill. It's a moot point, however, since we long ago invited it and we now have the spectre of Hillary and Schumer (and Specter, come to think of it) making decisions on what we can eat, drink, read and believe. And it gets worse by the day, as PC runs amok.


61 posted on 07/31/2005 3:56:13 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Abandoning choice and moving to privacy is for the time when there is no Roe.

To me this is telegraphing that the democrat party is assuming roe is certainly going to "die." Then it will be up to the constitutional privacy amendments which have been specifically and explicitly adopted in the various states.


62 posted on 07/31/2005 3:56:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee
"Basically what I'm saying is that conservatives are killing babies," he says.

We are? We're way too busy throwing the elderly out of their homes and beating up minorities. Plus we're fleecing workers out of their paychecks as well.

Where do we find time to do such things? Gotta put that down on my to-do list. Kill babies (highlighted in red).

63 posted on 07/31/2005 3:57:23 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Remember when Democrats had Republicans ending school lunches?

Symbolism over substance.


64 posted on 07/31/2005 3:59:40 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee
The pro-choice groups themselves have also been heatedly debating what to do.

That's a big problem. They keep on aborting their potential supporters.

65 posted on 07/31/2005 4:00:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: JennysCool
I don't think the government has any business in personal medical decisions, no matter what they may be

How about inter-personal medical decisions: those involving more than one party?

For instance: Say you have a husband who has made a medical decision to give you barbituates to produce a coma, and then remove several essential organs from your body. Do you think the government should have a role in curbing this sort of choice?

66 posted on 07/31/2005 4:00:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oh, so you know my ex-wife? :-)


67 posted on 07/31/2005 4:03:25 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: JennysCool; madprof98
Please take the child-killing rhetoric to DU, where they appreciate it.

Jenny, it is your statement in post #6 that is causing all the consfusion here:

The article is about the pro-legalized abortion movement changing their language in a vain attempt to make their failing cause seem more sympathetic. Your statement in post #6 makes you sound like you are in favor of legalized abortion. If so, your frustration with alternate descriptions of abortion are right in line with the desperation of the pro-abortion movement discussed in the article. Calling legalized abortion "personal freedom", "privacy", or "baby killing" is all semantics. Everyone is beginning to understand what abortion really is, and that is why the pro-abortion side is loosing.
68 posted on 07/31/2005 4:13:58 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: wagglebee
"In one of his more controversial suggestions, he advised the activists to reclaim the "life" issue by blaming Republicans for high U.S. infant-mortality rates and mercury pollution that can cause birth defects. "Basically what I'm saying is that conservatives are killing babies," he says. "

What does that have to do with abortion? Talk about obvious Red Herring.

69 posted on 07/31/2005 4:14:13 PM PDT by BROKKANIC
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To: JennysCool
"Actually, swinging the focus to "privacy" could have some traction."

The problem with this reasoning is that there is no right to privacy in the constitution. It's hard to express one's views on a nonexistent item

70 posted on 07/31/2005 4:15:33 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Please see my #61. Thanks.


71 posted on 07/31/2005 4:22:02 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: wagglebee

They'll be calling the right to murder your baby in your womb.....a civil right.


72 posted on 07/31/2005 4:26:51 PM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: wagglebee

I've already noticed that the pro-abortion group no longer talks about "choice." Their new buzz word is "privacy."


73 posted on 07/31/2005 4:27:23 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: longtermmemmory

The pro-aborts have used the word "choice" too many times for it to be successful anymore. Pro-aborts know that they can't defend abortion on its merits. So they devised the term "pro-choice" since it diverts attention away from the real issue (abortion) and toward an abstraction that sounds nice (choice). However, after 30 years of using the term "choice" as a euphemism for abortion, the public now thinks of abortion when they hear the term "pro-choice".

So the term is losing its usefulness now that people understand what it actually means. So the pro-aborts need a new term that has nothing to do with abortion in order to continue to con people into supporting pro-abort politicians.


74 posted on 07/31/2005 4:29:39 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: JennysCool; madprof98
Thank you for the clarification. I now understand your cryptic comments to be of the same desperate frustration that all pro-abortion supporters are going through in their crude attempts to continually obfuscate their failing movement.
75 posted on 07/31/2005 4:31:09 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: JennysCool
oh really? so parents of 2 year olds should be able to take their kids to the doctor to euthanize them if they are being bad or are just to much of a hassle to take care of?
76 posted on 07/31/2005 4:31:54 PM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: Texas_Conservative2

Err... Where are you getting ideas like that?

Glad I'm not a two-year-old in your house.

Sheesh.


77 posted on 07/31/2005 4:35:38 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: norwaypinesavage

For those who think there is no right to privacy, I invite you to read the link I posted on #57. Hardly the opinion of a judicial activist.


78 posted on 07/31/2005 4:35:55 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Does a woman who is taking fertility drugs to have a baby have a right to know that her husband has chosen to undergo a vasectomy?

I agree it does get absurd. The left is more than willing to mandate seatbelts (or ban guns) in the "name" of medical good to society and eliminate private choice "there" but not on the mythical alone decision of abotion.

Think about it as long as they can isolate the poor woman with an unplanned pregnancy they can keep the fact SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ALONE from her. I am not talking about religion, I am talking about the fact there are family, people, and groups out there to help her with the decision. She does not have to be alone.

Isolation of the individual is the only tool the left has anymore.


79 posted on 07/31/2005 4:40:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Tin eared zeroes and HollyPukes comin
We finally caught em on their own
This Spring we'll hear the ratta-tat-tatttin
Of DemoCommies gettin what they have sown

Gotta get down to it
The Dirty DemoCommies
are tearin the US down
Shoulda been done long ago

What if you knew the little Iraqi girl?
And saw her mutilated
lyin dead in thr underground?
How could forgive yourself?
Where could you run?


80 posted on 07/31/2005 4:41:16 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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