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"because the Army – like other institutions that operate in both the public and private sector – is trying to be responsive to consumers" This would be funny if it weren't so ridiculous.
1 posted on 07/31/2005 7:02:02 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

They've got it backwards. The softer they make it the harder time they will have with recruitment. This is what the Army gets for paying attention to psychobabble.

Notice that the Marines don't have this problem.


2 posted on 07/31/2005 7:05:50 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: kellynla
As a retired Army First Sergeant I don't think I would fit in any more. I got the impression this was coming when I retired after Gulf War '91
3 posted on 07/31/2005 7:10:42 AM PDT by Burf (I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.)
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To: kellynla

The army has really “screwed the pooch” with this one. Who in their right mind would want to join the army if it meant going into combat with a bunch of politically correct panty-waists?


5 posted on 07/31/2005 7:14:10 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: kellynla

There was some abuse of recruits when my son went through BCT at Knox at the beginning of this year. Not in his company, thankfully.


9 posted on 07/31/2005 7:32:49 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: kellynla

..and so goes the attempted "pussification" of America.


10 posted on 07/31/2005 7:35:03 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (This Tagline is on hiatus as I think of a new one.)
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13 posted on 07/31/2005 7:46:29 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Nie b¹dŸ pochopny w duchu do gniewu, bo gniew przebywa w piersi g³upców)
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To: kellynla

When I was a private I would hear the old timers (Brown Shoes) talk about how the “new” Army was going straight to hell. When I made Sergeant I started saying it. A couple years after I retired I sat at my favorite watering hole and heard a young Staff Sergeant bitching about the “new” Army, and how it was going straight to hell.
The “new” Army might be heading straight to hell, and that has been said for many years. The Army is a constantly changing institution. It has always been “going straight to hell”, but it always answers the call and just keeps on stroking - and doing a very nasty job very well.


14 posted on 07/31/2005 7:49:22 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: kellynla

I was a BCT Company Commander at Knox as the draft was ending and the Volunteer Army was crankin' up.

Abuse has never been accecptable and training and discipline can be tough without it anyway. During that time a directive came down from I-don't-know-where (probably TRADOC) that the only way a trainee could be addressed was, Trainee, Recruit or Soldier.

As long as a 'cruit knows there is a Chain of Command backing up the training cadre in their job, the mission of building a soldier will be understood by all. Of course the 'cruit has to believe they have rights that go along with their responsibilites.

If it's done right, most of the pressure on the trainee comes from within and from peers. The cadre just has to set the tone and the standards.


18 posted on 07/31/2005 7:59:52 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: kellynla

Let me propose a real crazy idea.

"it's getting harder to find the sorts of instances of hazing and intimidation that have become legendary in military life" --- Was written in the article.

A soldier has a job very UNlike that of an IT specialist. Maybe, the hazing is a good thing?

Can it just possibly be that things are sometimes done a certain way for a reason? Or can EVERYTHING in life be explained away using some "conflict theory".

Hazing weeds out those who don't want to be there. It weeds out those who are weak and are better left on mommas tit. By not hazing you might get a physically fit guy who has a good ASVAB score, high school grades and looks great on paper, but is a 200 pound wimp.

What do you think Ranger school is all about? Weed them out. Separate the boys from the girls, and this frankly should be done in Basic as well. Hazing is part of the game. “How bad do you really want it”, “What are you made of” are two questions that are best answered by hazing, not an interview or a letter of recommendation, which means just about nothing in reality.

Red6


24 posted on 07/31/2005 8:33:00 AM PDT by Red6
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To: kellynla

Now if only they could get the bad guys to stop abusing and mistreating our troops-- SInc eI was honorably discharged back in 1977 I have come to appreciate that
the USMC seems less adversly affected by the feminization of our Military than most. And I do like their rifle training.


33 posted on 07/31/2005 9:23:12 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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-Given how markets operate, why shouldn't the Army be sensitive to concerns...-

I'd agree, except that civilian markets and military ones are so...different. It takes a special person to sign up, not a sop who's easily influenced by the latest pretty marketing or advertising campaign.

Though, some of those commercials they make are pretty dang cool! Oh, to be young and arch supportless!


40 posted on 07/31/2005 9:39:17 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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I'm a woman so don't take this the wrong way but...are they trying to rip the contents of the scrotum from our men? Just what kind of military do they think they'll get once they do that.

I smell liberal anti-military presence in this. Like they want to humiliate the instructors.

47 posted on 07/31/2005 10:11:33 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: kellynla

So much for "more sweat in training, less blood in combat."

How many more Jessica Lynch's will have to happen before they realize playing pussy foot doesn't prepare one for combat?

Was boot camp tough back in hte 60s? Hell yes. But, Viet Nam was even tougher and being put in the mindset they put us in helped many of us to make it back home.

The way they are going, soon they will give them an oral exam, watch them play a video game and send them off to war, ill-prepared to survive.

The country and looney left better wake up. This isn't a video game, it's a real life struggle to stop world domination by radical Islamists.


53 posted on 07/31/2005 10:28:29 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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This shows why the press has no respect -- the writer has no idea what he's talking about.

He's taken a badly garbled "news" story from the New York Times (*), and garbled it still further. What's left is a bad mix of nonsense and lies.

If any reporters want to spend a week or two with a basic training company, it wouldn't be hard to set that up. (I'd gladly help.) But if they're content to be know-nothing hacks, then that's how they'll be seen.

* As Recruiting Suffers, Military Reins In Abuses at Boot Camp

54 posted on 07/31/2005 10:31:45 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: kellynla

Thus, the wussification of what used to be one of the best armies in the FREE world!!

It's a good thing we still have Marines!!


60 posted on 07/31/2005 10:51:37 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: kellynla
This nine week basic training course, is it for all soldiers or just for those who will be assigned to non-combat arms units? I heard the Army has separate training facilities for the two groups. Is the training for combat arms soldiers different?
63 posted on 07/31/2005 11:43:46 AM PDT by quadrant
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