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This is a prime example of a few individuals ruining it for everyone.
1 posted on 07/31/2005 5:04:25 AM PDT by oldfarmer
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This is a prime example of a few individuals ruining it for everyone.

Yes, well, isn't that what they're elected to do?

2 posted on 07/31/2005 5:07:05 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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Isn't that the truth.


3 posted on 07/31/2005 5:08:47 AM PDT by GVnana
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you got that right. Years ago when pseudoephedrine was made available OTC it was a huge financial relief for my family. Instead of having to run to the DR. everytime somebodies allergies acted up we could get the medicine from the drugstore and in most cases long before the allergy got out of control! No long waits to see the dr. or at the pharmacy, no raging allergies or sinusitis, no resulting sinus infections due to severity...those few have just made my life go back to the miserable side again!

There goes Sudafed, NyQuil, DayQuil, Advil Cold/Sinus, most Cold medicines....et al.


4 posted on 07/31/2005 5:22:44 AM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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Bill is being fought by the ADA and dentists state wide.


5 posted on 07/31/2005 5:29:23 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Here's my letter the Oregonian said they were going to publish, but never did.

It's hard to believe that the Oregonian legislature could create any law more idiotic than the sidewalk crossing law or the 20 mph school zones 24 hours a day, but they did! The bill passed by the house would require everyone who needs medication containing Sudafed to get a prescription from a doctor. The legislature actually believes that this bill can actually help in the fight against meth in the state of Oregon. HA! Are they joking? The meth manufacturers are only going to get their Sudafed from other states or countries. In the mean time, us Oregonians who suffer the daily pain of allergies are now going to have to jump through hoops that are not required in any other state. Oregonians like myself who do not have a family doctor will now have to set up unneeded appointments, pay for an unneeded medical visits, drive to pharmacies, wait in line with tissues in hand and probably pay more for the same medication. I don't know about you, but I'm going to Vancouver or the internet for my medication and I'm not going to vote for those legislatures who lack what the rest of Oregonians have, common sense.
7 posted on 07/31/2005 5:56:17 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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I brought the upcoming vote on this issue with a major "Tweaker". She said, "No problem, the cooks will just come up with another way to make it." It's a stupid law to appease the majority of ignorant tax payers. The State of Oregon bites the big one....


10 posted on 07/31/2005 6:36:32 AM PDT by Birdsbane (If You Are Employed By A Liberal Democrat...Quit!)
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There should be some kind of committee in every state, made up of an anonymous citizen panel (to reduce special interest tampering) with access to specialized experts. This committee's sole purpose shall be to examine each new law passed by the legislature for the first five years after its enactment. They will examine the impact of the law, the cost of the law, whether or not the law had the desired impact, and any negative effects from the law. They can present their findings to the legislature in an advisory role. The findings should also be released to the public.

If after being confronted with a bad law, the legislature chooses not to act where action is demanded, then those with interest can take up the matter in the public sphere. Some smart politician will run on it. It's always fun to go after bad laws, and it just isn't done enough.

Five years from now, who will determine if this new law in Oregon will really have done anything to lower meth use? I believe that there will not be ONE fewer meth addict as a result of this legislation. Not ONE. It's going to cause a lot of hassle to a whole lot of people, most significantly, doctors and sick people. It's going to cost money. It's going to cause trouble for the health insurance companies too, who will have to approve these myriad new prescriptions like they approve all others. But who is going to stick around and watch this, and who is going to let the people know? Who holds the legislature responsible for a bad law?

As usual, people will eventually get used to all of the hassle, costs and prices will go up, and few will remember the cause of all the hassle.


12 posted on 07/31/2005 6:44:56 AM PDT by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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Thus the anti-freedom Nazis must ruin it for everyone. A prescription for OVER THE DANGED COUNTER cold medicine? IT's bad enough that we now have to get the little tag from the medicine isle and take it to the pharmacy counter.

It's OTC for a reason -

I guess we need to start automatically burning down all meth houses and appartments. All those convicted of producing meth should be immediately sentenced to the firing squad (or to be hanged). I'm sick of this mess. I know there are those here who defend the "right" to illegal drugs - but anyone who thinks meth is A-OK for ANYONE should be shot as well. I have seen way too many lives destroyed by meth - and it's not because of the WOD - it's because the drug is that insidious.

It's time we take our rights back - and punish those who would cause us to loose those rights.


13 posted on 07/31/2005 6:48:40 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan)
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Doesn't pseudoephedrine cause heart problems too? I am surprised they didn't ban it years ago.
15 posted on 07/31/2005 7:04:06 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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18 posted on 07/31/2005 7:14:17 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"This is a prime example of a few individuals ruining it for everyone."

The Tylenol killer makes my life far more miserable on a daily basis than any meth chemist.

20 posted on 07/31/2005 7:17:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Oregon government is collectively so corrupt and stupid it's hard to know where to start on some of these bills they come up with.

The one common denominator of liberalism is to protect criminals and punish innocent citizens.


23 posted on 07/31/2005 7:25:12 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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We live in California, and last week, my wife and I discussed this terrible law with a local pharmacist with relatives, who are pharmacists in Oregon.

They all feel that this is a terrible law. Apparently even compounds like Nyquil and Dayquil will now require an rx.

They estimate that an Rx cost for a 5 to 7 day supply of these simple products will be in the $20 to $30 range. Of course no RX plans will cover the cost of an over the counter drug.

Then add the cost of the visit to see the MD. These Oregon Pharmacists see the cost of a visit and a week of drug costing up to $100.

There are rumors that there will be no refills and a strict limit of about a week's supply on the refills.


25 posted on 07/31/2005 7:30:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - A bill passed by lawmakers on Saturday would make Oregon the first U.S. state to require a doctor's prescription for cold medicines containing an ingredient that can be used to make the illegal drug methamphetamine.

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I think this blows. Why "again" should a messed up irresponsible, criminalistic minority ruin it for millions of minor allergy/cold sufferers. I think states should keep it the way they have it now, the higher end medicines behind the counter and one box of each brand of the cheaper medicines on the shelf. Besides I heard last week a pharmiceutical company is changing the ingredients so the ingredients used in meth will no longer be available.


27 posted on 07/31/2005 7:39:38 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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it would hurt people without medical insurance who cannot afford to go to a doctor for a cold or an allergy.

Not to mention effectively requiring doctors to enforce non-medical regulations. Meth is awful stuff ... but these hysterical responses are getting out of hand.

31 posted on 07/31/2005 7:45:31 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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On the plus side, those with prescription insurance now get this medication covered, yes?

Remember the recent brouhaha when they made that allegy drug (Allegra, Claritin?) over-the-counter and thus not covered by insurance?

36 posted on 07/31/2005 8:19:28 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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They will just go to California, Idaho, and Washington. Or easier yet buy from the Mexican Mafia, there are lots of them.


37 posted on 07/31/2005 8:21:43 AM PDT by Delphinium
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49 posted on 07/31/2005 12:00:20 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (I WONDERED WHY THE FRISBEE WAS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER... THEN IT HIT ME)
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I just heard a snippet about Texas passing a law that puts pseudoephedrine products behind the counter. Still availabe without a prescription but you must sign for it and there's a limit of two boxes.

They also said Oklahoma passed a similar law (don't know when) and it had reduced the amount of meth labs by 50%.

52 posted on 07/31/2005 12:09:18 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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