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Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda websites are wiped out
Sunday Times-Britain ^ | July 31, 2005

Posted on 07/30/2005 5:46:03 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah

Over the past fortnight Israeli intelligence agents have noticed something distinctly odd happening on the internet. One by one, Al-Qaeda’s affiliated websites have vanished until only a handful remain, write Uzi Mahnaimi and Alex Pell.

Someone has cut the line of communication between the spiritual leaders of international terrorism and their supporters. Since 9/11 the websites have been the main links to disseminate propaganda and information.

The Israelis detect the hand of British intelligence, determined to torpedo the websites after the London attacks of July 7.

The web has become the new battleground of terrorism, permitting a freedom of communication denied to such organisations as the IRA a couple of decades ago.

One global jihad site terminated recently was an inflammatory Pakistani site, www.mojihedun.com, in which a section entitled How to Strike a European City gave full technical instructions. Tens of similar sites, some offering detailed information on how to build and use biological weapons, have also been shut down. However, Islamic sites believed to be “moderate”, remain.

One belongs to the London-based Syrian cleric Abu Basir al-Tartusi, whose www.abubaseer.bizland.com remained operative after he condemned the London bombings.

However, the scales remain weighted in favour of global jihad, the first virtual terror organisation. For all the vaunted spying advances such as tracking mobile phones and isolating key phrases in telephone conversations, experts believe current technologies actually play into the hands of those who would harm us.

“Modern technology puts most of the advantages in the hands of the terrorists. That is the bottom line,” says Professor Michael Clarke, of King’s College London, who is director of the International Policy Institute.

Government-sponsored monitoring systems, such as Echelon, can track vast amounts of data but have so far proved of minimal benefit in preventing, or even warning, of attacks. And such systems are vulnerable to manipulation: low-ranking volunteers in terrorist organisations can create background chatter that ties up resources and maintains a threshold of anxiety. There are many tricks of the trade that give terrorists secure digital communication and leave no trace on the host computer.

Ironically, the most readily available sources of accurate online information on bomb-making are the websites of the radical American militia. “I have not seen any Al-Qaeda manuals that look like genuine terrorist training,” claims Clarke.

However, the sobering message of many security experts is that the terrorists are unlikely ever to lose a war waged with technology.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; australia; britain; gwot; israel; londonattacked; pakistan; syria; terrorism; websites
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To: Cindy

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21 posted on 07/30/2005 5:59:11 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (When can we stop pretending that the Left doesn't by and large hate America?)
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To: Ooh-Ah
Tens of similar sites, some offering detailed information on how to build and use biological weapons, have also been shut down.

This article isn't signed, but I can practically guarantee it is not written by a native Englishman. Arabic, Chinese, and many other languages use "tens" where native English speakers would say "dozens."

-ccm

22 posted on 07/30/2005 6:01:37 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: DoughtyOne
I have wondered about this and am quite glad to finally see the issue addressed. Every one of these sited should have it's lights turned off.

Yup. I suspect their ISP's have had midnight visits from the men in black. You can really screw up a system with nothing more than lineman's pliers and a bag of conductive carbon fibers.

-ccm

24 posted on 07/30/2005 6:06:52 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: wolfpat
Sounds like a pretty top-notch organization to me.

That's what I was thinking.  Looks like the brits are serious about defending their homeland and have their act together.  Another bomb attempt or 2 and they may start eliminating a lot of "civil rights" that these groups hide behind.

25 posted on 07/30/2005 6:08:58 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Ooh-Ah

My question is why didnt we do this before?

and yes, who are the host.

from my perspective, we could be wadging a cyber war - which is completely different than the boots on the ground aspect.


26 posted on 07/30/2005 6:10:50 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Ooh-Ah

Many of these web sites were no doubt being hosted (or at least mirrored) from Britain. MI-5 may now be shutting these down.


27 posted on 07/30/2005 6:14:40 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Interesting DNS lists. Sure looks like there are a lot of sites still active.


28 posted on 07/30/2005 6:16:13 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Actually I would be supprised and disappointed if it were ONLY the british going after these sites and taking them down.

I suspect that heretofore, it has been in the interests of intelligence to leave the up, as it is then possible to trace access to these sited on a gobal basis, simply by doing packet analysis at the routers along the way. (The vast majority of which are in western hands).

Just as in WWII, the US and Britain did not deny communication to either the German or Japanese forces in preference to "reading their mail", it seems likely more was
learned by watching than by tampering.

However, at some point more can be gained by denial, and that time may have come.

The sites may well be up and running, just null-routed so that no one can get there from most of the western world.


29 posted on 07/30/2005 6:16:20 PM PDT by konaice
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To: ccmay
Arabic, Chinese, and many other languages use "tens" where native English speakers would say "dozens."

Er, not to be too obvious, but what if the number involved was between 20 and 23...?

30 posted on 07/30/2005 6:19:19 PM PDT by konaice
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To: AndyJackson

In Canada too, I'm sure.


31 posted on 07/30/2005 6:19:36 PM PDT by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!)
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To: Ooh-Ah
...terrorists are unlikely ever to lose a war waged with technology.

I don't see how this conclusion follows from the rest of the article. Is this just typical MSM doom-saying? Or am I missing something?

32 posted on 07/30/2005 6:25:43 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: konaice

Welcome to the iceberg war. 90% of it is waaaay below the surface.


33 posted on 07/30/2005 6:27:46 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Brilliant

I was thinking the same. We probably know who's looking at the stuff, then track their emails.


34 posted on 07/30/2005 6:30:38 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank) (NRA)
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To: Valin
Welcome to the iceberg war. 90% of it is waaaay below the surface.

And if so, what follows in the next few weeks may be more interesting that the past.

First you cut the phone lines, then you rush the door? Of course, one can only speculate, and perhaps even THAT would qualify as "loose lips".

35 posted on 07/30/2005 6:30:53 PM PDT by konaice
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The Brits are way past us in the art of distilling righteous rage into focused action. The spirit of "They don't know who they're dealing with" started with them. Couple it with competence and that's what we're seeing now.


36 posted on 07/30/2005 6:33:08 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: konaice

You could be right.


37 posted on 07/30/2005 6:34:14 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Ooh-Ah
This reminds me of something I saw around 20 years ago. A former CIA head was being interviewed on one of the Sunday Morning TV shows.

He was asked which was the best intelligence agency, the CIA, KGB or Israeli Intelligence.

His answer surprised me and the questioner. He said "none of them, the best is British Intelligence". I don't know if that is still true but he thought it was then.

38 posted on 07/30/2005 6:34:55 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: RedRover
I don't see how this conclusion follows from the rest of the article

Nor does it follow the facts. The assumption the writer makes is that someone stupid enough to become a suicide bomber is smart enough to turn a Predator Drone to his own purpose, or to take over the internet, or any other "we are going to loose to a bunch of uneducated camel jockies" MSM themes.

If anything, I think this is a sign that the Politically Correct Cadre has been sent to the stables, and now the first string has taken the field.

39 posted on 07/30/2005 6:36:02 PM PDT by konaice
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To: RobFromGa

Well observed!


40 posted on 07/30/2005 6:37:04 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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