Posted on 07/30/2005 8:15:50 AM PDT by Asphalt
FORT COLLINS, Colo. — Never mind officials voiding a $50 ticket for indecent exposure, or an explanation from county officials that a ranger who issued the citation to the breast-feeding mother was inexperienced.
Dorian Ryan said she wants an apology for what she called a "humiliating and degrading" experience.
"This isn't right. Women shouldn't be harassed for breast-feeding their children," Dorian Ryan said.
Colorado lawmakers agree. A law passed last year gives women the right to breast feed anywhere she's allowed to be in public.
Ryan, 43, was ticketed for indecent exposure July 14 when she breast fed her son at the Carter Lake swim beach in Larimer County. She was shielded from view by two umbrellas and a towel.
An inexperienced park ranger mistakenly issued the ticket, said Dan Rieves, manager of the Blue Mountain District, which oversees the beach. Park officials have voided the ticket.
Rieves, who has been in contact with Ryan, said a written apology would be sent Friday.
What if you notice someone breastfeeding, but only because you see a baby-shaped lump under the shoulder blanket and see little feet sticking out -- still offensive? I.e., is it the mere knowledge that someone is discreetly breastfeeding nearby that offends you? Or is it actually seeing skin/suckling?
Um, I personally have a problem with people flashing their nipples. If you like that, you're welcome to go live in a nuddist colony.
I think you mean women not people.Any time a woman breast feeds in public there is always the chance someone may see a nipple.So, I support no laws on this.
Whatever floats your boat, hon, on the prude thing; anyone who differs from your noble sentiments is obviously a prude in your book. How Victorian of you.
Good point in re "water quality" in some of the countries needing relief; but as I read -- water gets shipped in too
I sometimes MOOOO myself, especially when the baby decides to sleep all night out of the blue :-).
It's funny how males will bear any burden, pay any price, fill in your cliche, in order to see a breast ... and women will spend a fortune on clothes that show every allowable square centimeter, and then a fraction more ... but if there's a baby eating, it's suddenly a moral outrage, an aesthetic crisis, and a public sanitation disaster.
Ha!You're funny!
The thing I've already seen in my time of observing the children of exhibitionist nursers -- it isn't a bond that forms -- the children rebel. It's not at all what one might think would happen in the "au organic motherhood" universe; but I've seen it so much. Sugar is taboo; therefore the children want sugar. War is bad, therefore the children want to join the military.
The "cow thing". Let me explain that.
The uber organic movements in Berkeley and San Francisco DO TREAT PUBLIC URINATION, PUBLIC NUDITY, PUBLIC SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, AND EXHIBITIONIST NURSING the same way: It's just a body function, as their saying goes.
Cows don't nurse their young to be "exhibitionist" -- they do it because they do not have brain cells which would coalesce into something mankind might and often does strive towards: higher civilization.
Among the "uber organies" is this theology of "back to Earth" (of which I go along with much of that; homeopathy, strong family ties, maintaining self-reliance and independence on multi-levels). But amid an urban center, say, like Berkeley and San Francisco? This rush back to nature under the setting of hightechnologic "urbanity" just makes them look like cows. Not "higher, more evolved" beings.
The whole thing with the bonding and the mothers? I think it's probably there. But I think instead of the children adapting to the world; the parents become like kids themselves, and tend to raise uncivilized kids.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. I can count on one hand alone all the hippies I know who moved out to the communes of Guerneville, Cazadero, etc., to be "natural" and live self-sustaining lifestyles. A whole generation has passed and most of them who actually LIVED out the non-urban lifestyle.. became libertarians and conservatives. Those who live in urban "mecca's" talk a fine talk about "au naturalness" but don't walk it. They stay stuck psychologicallyy, I think, inside a twisted world view of "be here now". And they don't evolve. I sometimes suspect it's why they are so angry all the time.
I find their using their babies as political ideologic props as offensive as the vitriol they spew at our soldiers. It's all politics to them. More politics than nuture, that's for sure.
Don't you make me laugh, Tax-Chick. That just brings back my own memories, uh, mammory memories.. :)
James is only nursing once a day now, when he first wakes up in the morning, but starting in February I'll get to MOOOO again.
NO KIDDING!!! Tax-chick! WOW! Such great news! Congratulations! You and your hubby make beautiful children, and raise them well. Delightful, healthy children. (It must be that belly dancing routine, eh? lol :)...)
Your "what if" is moot, because a blanket means I don't notice.
Nipple, I notice.
Seeing skin and lips attached to it, that's offensive.
I thought you knew ... it's been all over the NC forum. James gets his Replacement in February, and I'm sure he won't like it one bit.
So, another two years of FReeping and nursing :-).
People who demand apologies have lost my respect.
Pretty much agree. The "apology" schtick is getting pretty thick, you can't turn on the tube anymore without hearing about some maliciously wronged and defamed spineless wimp demanding an apology.
Are people that insecure these days?
And if it's not someone demanding an apology, it's someone apologizing for something they didn't even do, like lynchings or owning slaves.
BLESSINGS! BLESSINGS! I didn't know. Not sure how I missed it either. "His Replacement". lol!!!! Stay strong, stay happy, stay in love!
Doing our best :-).
Amen to that! I've got a new grandbaby coming in a month. I was to midwife my first grandbaby; but she came e-early. I'll be there for this blessing. Got my med bag packed.
Terrific! I hope you get there at the right time! I'm getting a new OB this time (the practice that delivered James reminded me of the Air Force!). I'm going to see him the week after next; Bill and Tom have Civil War camp the next few days.
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