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Judge says alcoholism no disease
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | July 29, 2005 | Sara Eaton

Posted on 07/29/2005 5:37:23 AM PDT by RobFromGa

Judge says alcoholism no disease
Gull says attorney showed no evidence

The Journal Gazette

Gull

During a sentencing Thursday in Allen Superior Court involving a drunken driving fatal crash, Judge Fran Gull said alcoholism is not a disease – a comment that contradicts the beliefs of much of the medical field.

Gull later defended her statement, saying she was referring specifically to the case at hand.

Gull, who is one of three criminal judges for the court, also oversees drug court – a program that began in 1997 aims to rehabilitate non-violent offenders with drug and alcohol addictions through 12 to 18 months of intensive supervision and treatment. Participants must take other steps to improve their lives, and if they remain substance free, their criminal charges are dismissed.

Before Gull sentenced Todd Anthony Bebout, defense attorney Mitch Hicks asked Gull to consider Bebout’s disease, referring to his addictions to alcohol and drugs.

“He had opportunities to rehabilitate himself, but it’s a disease. It’s not only a matter of wanting to quit,” Hicks argued. “Well, you are the drug court director, you know.”

Minutes later, while reviewing what she would consider in sentencing, Gull said Bebout didn’t have a disease.

“It’s not a disease,” she said. “People say that time and again, but it’s not.”

Gull continued by explaining that the man had a choice, and his choices led to the death of a woman. She also emphasized the man’s failed attempts at rehabilitation through the criminal justice system over the years, which included counseling, probation and intensive treatment.

Alcoholism is recognized as a disease by both the American Medical Association and the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, which is responsible for 90 percent of the nation’s research on alcohol addiction, spokeswoman Ann Bradley said.

It’s a disease that involves compulsive use that cannot be controlled until the alcohol or addictive substance is removed, Bradley said.

The symptoms of the disease, according to the institute’s Web site, include craving alcohol, loss of control, physical dependence and tolerance. Those afflicted by the chronic disease can experience withdrawal symptoms, such as anxiety, sweating, shaking or nausea.

Bradley said alcoholism is considered a brain disease and that there are medications available to help alcoholics. The difference between the addiction being a disease and a bad choice is the loss of control over how much one drinks.

When questioned about the comment later in the day, Gull defended her statements made in court. She said her comment was referring specifically to that case only. She said the attorney who brought up Bebout’s addictions invited her to comment about the situation.

“He invited me to consider it as a mitigating circumstance for sentencing,” Gull said. “But there was no evidence to show that it was a disease.”

Gull said she would have considered it had Hicks presented a medical diagnosis to establish his client’s disease. Although she did not ask for such evidence during the hearing or even mention that it was lacking, Gull later noted in a sentencing order that the argument was not supported.

Addiction doesn’t necessarily mean disease, she said, and part of the problem is the lack of consistent information, saying that the topic is still debated among various professional fields.

There are times when Gull has received medical information supporting that an offender has an addiction that has been diagnosed as a disease, she said. In those situations, which do arise in drug court, she orders the offender to follow doctor’s orders and makes that a requirement of participation in the program.

“I very specifically considered what I had in front of me,” she said. “There wasn’t anything that supported it.”


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KEYWORDS: addiction; alcohol; alcoholism; ruling
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To: no dems
Some people have a greater libido than others but that does not give them the right to go out and rape someone or molest a child.

Good analogy.

201 posted on 07/30/2005 5:26:52 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Hmmmmm...now perhaps the tens of thousands on and receiving Social Securiaty disability benefits due to alcoholism (and can we add drug addiction) will be set correctly off the rolls and be encouraged to get employment.

They should be made to go back to work, and taken off the dole. Once an alcoholic/addict quits using they are fully capable of having a normal life. I would suspect that most of the people using addiction as a reason for disability are still using, and we should not pay for such behavior with handouts. Unfortunately you cannot make someone want to quit, so making "recovery" a requirement for disability payments is not a good approach.

I don't know the answer to this problem, I suspect it is through faith-based charitable organizations who are able to examine each individual case and help the people.

202 posted on 07/30/2005 5:33:09 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: Alberta's Child
What are the symptoms of this "disease" called alcoholism when the afflicted person is living in the woods with no access to anything but canned food and spring water?

An extreme desire to learn to ferment canned food into something to get drunk on? Like they do in prison, and on M*A*S*H...

203 posted on 07/30/2005 5:41:33 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: RobFromGa

Alcoholism is a sin. Just like any other sin, it holds us in bondage, and we cannot escape.

Only the power of the Holy Spirit can break the bondage of sin, and that will only happen when we have faith in Jesus Christ, and his sacrificial, atoning death for us on the cross.

This applies to every person, and sin of any description.

John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


204 posted on 07/30/2005 5:41:49 AM PDT by trillabodilla (Pray for President Bush!)
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To: OldEagle
I think it is important to distinguish between a drunk and an alcoholic. A drunk has a behavior problem and an alcoholic has an addiction. A drunk can quit drinking without having withdrawl symptoms.

Why is this important? Do you think there are levels of withdrawal symptoms?

I personally "tried" to quit or control my drinking at least 100 times using various methods, none successful. I succeeded when I made the decision to stop "trying" and to "do" it. I succeeeded (for now). I know I can't drink again and my intention is that I won't.

Am I a drunk or an alcoholic? Does it matter?

205 posted on 07/30/2005 5:46:35 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: trillabodilla
Only the power of the Holy Spirit can break the bondage of sin, and that will only happen when we have faith in Jesus Christ

In your scenario it is still a personal decision that one makes. It is not forced upon them, each individual makes a free choice to ask for help. I choose to think that God granted us the tools to control our bodies and minds if we choose to utilize them, just like he gave us the power to recognize good and evil. Forgiveness for one's actions is another topic entirely.

206 posted on 07/30/2005 5:53:57 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: RobFromGa

A person can not refuse to have cancer.
Which IS a disease.


207 posted on 07/30/2005 5:57:05 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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To: RobFromGa
"Am I a drunk or an alcoholic? Does it matter?"

By my definition you were a drunk if you had no physical withdrawl symptoms. Congratulations on quitting.

208 posted on 07/30/2005 6:21:32 AM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: WillMalven
Perhaps you have not been there, I have. You are wrong about your assessment about the 3 places an alcoholic ends up. A lot do end up in a graveyard, jail or asylum, true, but many also make it through the program and go sober. I have. Even when I was drinking I was making choices. Tough choices to be sure but choices none the less.

I'm sorry but if you haven't "been there" you are the one who is ignorant.

Yes it is true that the program will tell you that you have a disease, they can't tell you where it comes from. Some say it is genetic but there are no facts to back that up. They are looking but none have been found. Many say it is hereditary and many say it is not. Many say it is a brain disorder, many say it is not.

Many people say that certain people have a predisposition to obesity. In the same way many are said to have a predisposition to alcoholism, I don't define a disease as a predisposition.

Many people have a predisposition to heart disease. They don't have the disease necessarily but they can get it easily if they exhibit certain behaviors such as a high fat diet and no exercise. Yes it is true that they may develop what we call a disease by their inappropriate behavior but it is not a disease in their youth.

A predisposition to alcoholism is not the same. No matter how long we suffer the affects of our drinking being drunk is a choice. We can turn off the drinking anytime we feel that the rest of our life is more important than satisfying the craving we have for the booze. Perhaps you think I make it sound too easy, I don't mean to. I have known many many drunks. I have gone thru the program with many who have been through the program many times, been sober and fall off the wagon after many years of sobriety. They all will tell you they wanted to get drunk. They had a bad day, week or year. Whatever they made a conscious decision to get drunk. They got to the bottom again and decided it was time to sober up. I'm sorry but "I" cannot call that a disease, it is a choice.

When the person with hear disease decides to eat right and exercise he may stop the progression of his disease but he does not get rid of the disease. Perhaps he can get an angioplasty or stints or maybe even bypass surgery to correct some of the problems caused by the disease but it does not completely get rid of the disease. The person who has alcoholism can make a choice and completely get rid of all the symptoms of the "disease", more than the symptoms, when the right choice is made the "disease" is gone. What other sickness do we have that we call a disease that can be cured by choice?

The program will tell you that any addiction is a disease. Then I say eating must be a disease. I have a predisposition for it, I have done it all my life and now I seem hooked. This eating disease I have is killing more people than smoking or alcohol ever thought about.

We are what we make ourselves to be. We are not what anybody else made us to be. Because we have a brain we can decide to be whatever we want if we work for it. I have seen it time after time after time. I guy in the gutter goes to jail, goes through the program and is sober for the rest of his life.

I don't really have a problem if people call alcoholism a disease as long as they realize that it is a disease of choice, but because I am not "ignorant" and have witnessed so much about this "disease" I cannot.
209 posted on 07/30/2005 6:28:18 AM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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To: RobFromGa

Like so many other things, lawyers have concocted to shift blame for criminal behavior in order to free their clients from personal responsibility. The cure for this sickness is dont drink alcohol.


210 posted on 07/30/2005 6:33:28 AM PDT by usslsm51
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To: trillabodilla
Alcoholism is a sin. Just like any other sin, it holds us in bondage, and we cannot escape.

It is a failing of the human character. Do you call people who are in Overeaters Anonymous sinners?

211 posted on 07/30/2005 7:13:23 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: raybbr
But, are they happy? I doubt it.

Some are, some aren't. Are they any less happy than obese people? Any less happy than smokers? Any less happy than a person with an abusive spouse? Is anybody really happy?

I think they are probably like the rest of the general population as far as happiness goes.

Would you be happy spending every waking moment thinking about where you are going to get the next drink while you are "functioning" as an alcoholic?

Actually, the overhwleming prevelance of alcohol (I have three stores that sell liquor within 100 yards of my place) ... prevents on from have to "think about where they will get their next drink".

This is what seperates the "evil druggies" from the "legal alcoholics". The problems of the former are greatly exercerbated by procurement, while the problems of the latter are not.

It's really not difficult to be a functional alcoholic in modern society. It all depends on how one deals with their addictions, and some actually do deal with them successfully throughout their (often long) lives.

212 posted on 07/30/2005 8:08:24 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
In my experience, those who are forced to make insulting and snide remarks in arguing there case have already lost. That is the second time you have suggested a drink. Do you have a drinking problem?

"So why did they start drinking alcohol?"

Because they are suffering from a disease called alcoholism...DUH! I have never met an alcoholic who started out life deciding "I think I'll become an alcoholic. Gee, what a great idea, I'll start today."

The only people who have a vested interest in denying the disease nature of alcoholism are
1. those who have been victimized by someone in their lives who was an alcoholic and so they feel the need to hate them or blame them for their own problems.
2. Those who are actively alcoholic and are in denial so in their defensiveness, they feel the need to lash out at anyone who suggests they might have a problem. I look forward to seeing them in the rooms of AA eventually.
3. Super moralists who think that they know more about solving problems than those the medical field. The self-righteous are capable of doing more harm than any of the rest because they will attempt to keep those who suffer from seeking the help they need.
4. Those self-righteous souls who just "know" that if a person just exercises his will, he can conquor the problem. Ignorance is bliss.
213 posted on 07/30/2005 8:20:23 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: no dems

Actuall, type II, or adult onset diabetes can also be controlled by lifestyle changes. In some cases it will go into spontaneous remission.


214 posted on 07/30/2005 8:23:23 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Stu Cohen
I think they are probably like the rest of the general population as far as happiness goes.

I seriously doubt that. I have yet to know anyone that said they were happier when drunk/active as opposed to sober. "My best day drunk was still worse than my worst day sober" is a very common comment heard from sober people.

... prevents on from have to "think about where they will get their next drink".

I wasn't talking about a tactical problem. I was speak about the craving and how it take over almost all of your thought processes.

215 posted on 07/30/2005 8:23:48 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: SealSeven

Your ignorance is only exceeded by you lack on knowledge about the nature of the subject about which you are speaking (your ignorance).


216 posted on 07/30/2005 8:26:29 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: WillMalven
Alcohol Always Lied to Me
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I Drank for Courage... and woke up night after night horrified.
I Drank for Sophistication... and became crude.
I Drank to find Peace... and ignited a war within myself.
I Drank to be Friendly... and became argumentative and nasty.
I Drank to be Sexy... and turned people off.
I Drank so that I could Relate to Others... and I babbled.
I Drank to put down Loneliness... and found myself retreating more and more into my shell.
I Drank to Relax... and woke up tense.
I Drank to be Entertaining... and became an obnoxious clown.
I Drank to Live More Fully... and contemplated suicide.
I Drank for Adventure... and discovered disaster.
I Drank to be more Honest... and insulted my friends.
I Drank to Quiet my Nerves... and woke up with hangover jangles.
I Drank to Feel Better... and ended up sick and throwing up.
I Drank to have Fun... and passed out in the middle of the party.
I Drank to Pep Myself Up... and ended up exhausted.
I Drank to feel Successful... a Big Shot... but ended up a failure.
I Drank for Security... and became afraid of my shadow.
I Drank to Feel Better about Myself... and ended up hating me.
I Drank to prove I could handle Alcohol... and ended up knowing it controlled me.

A Friend asked...

"But surely, now that you've been Sober awhile, it would take a lot of alcohol to put you back in that condition."

"Just One Drink," I answered!

~Author Unknown~

Alcoholism is a disease and it kills. It is also a family disease because everyone is effected by the alcoholic.

Thank God for Al-Anon for people who have someone they love who is an alcoholic and you're watching, powerlessly while they die.

Everyone seems to be an expert on the subject.

217 posted on 07/30/2005 9:55:22 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: OldEagle

I think that's part of it.


218 posted on 07/30/2005 10:21:07 AM PDT by merry10
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To: RobFromGa

I seek only to dispel ignorance. As long as there is a stigma attached to being an alcoholic, many who need the AA program will be reluctant to seek help. They will try everything in the book to try to deny their illness, prolonging the agony far beyond what is necessary.

Ignorance and bias can kill.


219 posted on 07/30/2005 11:34:51 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Texas Mom

AMEN! God Bless!


220 posted on 07/30/2005 11:40:04 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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