Posted on 07/28/2005 9:39:56 AM PDT by rdb3
Why not bomb Mecca? Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) has brought the issue to the table. The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has demanded that he apologize to Muslims, and commentators left and right have subjected him to vociferous criticism. At the same time, however, he seems to have tapped into the frustration that many Americans feel about official Washingtons politically correct insistence, in the face of ever-mounting evidence to the contrary, that Islam is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists.
Although Tancredos presidential hopes and possibly even his seat in Congress may go up in the mushroom cloud created by the furor over his remarks, the idea of destroying Islamic holy sites in response to a devastating terror attack on American soil is not going to go away particularly as long as elected officials rush after every Islamic terror attack to repeat the well-worn mantras about how they know that the overwhelming majority of Muslims abhor violence and reject extremism, and are our faithful and reliable allies against terrorism in all its forms.
However, although the resentment Tancredo has tapped is real and has legitimate causes, his suggestion that among the many things we might do to prevent such an attack on America would be to lay out there as a possibility the destruction of Islamic holy sites is still wrong but not generally for the reasons that most analysts have advanced.
Primarily, of course, it contravenes Western principles of justice which, if discarded willy-nilly, would remove a key reason why we fight at all: to preserve Western ideas of justice and human rights that are denied by the Islamic Sharia law so beloved of jihad terrorists. But even aside from moral questions, which are increasingly thorny in this post-Hiroshima, post-Dresden world, there are practical reasons to reject what Tancredo has suggested.
Tancredos idea, of course, is based on the old Cold War principle of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD). Both sides threatened each other with nuclear annihilation, and the threats canceled each other out. The Soviets would no more risk Moscow being wiped out than we would Washington.
But applying this principle to present-day Islamic jihad is not so easy. The Soviets did not inculcate into their cadres the idea enunciated by Maulana Inyadullah of al-Qaeda shortly after 9/11: The Americans love Pepsi-Cola, we love death. This lust for death runs through the rhetoric of todays jihadists, and goes all the way back in Islamic history to the Quran, in which Allah instructs Muhammad: Say (O Muhammad): O ye who are Jews! If ye claim that ye are favoured of Allah apart from (all) mankind, then long for death if ye are truthful (62:6). Will men who love death, who glorify suicide bombing and praise God for beheadings and massacres, fear the destruction of holy sites? It seems unlikely in the extreme and that fact nullifies all the value this thread may have had as a deterrent. Nuke Mecca? Why bother? It wouldnt work.
Others have argued, however, that the deterrent value of destroying Islamic holy sites would lie not in giving jihad terrorists pause, but in showing Islam itself to be false and thus removing the primary motivation of todays jihad terrorists. If Allah is all-powerful and rewards those who believe in him while hating and punishing the disbelievers (the vilest of creatures, according to Quran 98:6), wouldnt he protect his holy sites from these disbelievers?
However, Muslims have weathered such shocks to their system in the past. In 1924, the secular government of Turkey abolished the caliphate; the caliph was considered the successor of the Prophet Muhammad as the religious and political leader of the Islamic community. By abolishing the office, Turkish leader Kemal Ataturk hoped to strike at the heart of political Islam and create a context in which Islam could develop something akin to the Western idea of the separation of religion and state. Instead, his act provided the impetus for the establishment of the Muslim Brotherhood, the first modern Islamic terrorist organization, in Egypt in 1928. The Brotherhood and its offshoots (which include Hamas and Al-Qaeda), and indeed virtually all jihadist groups in the world today, date the misery of the Islamic world to the abolition of the caliphate. The ultimate goal of such groups is the restoration of this office, the reunification of the Islamic world under the caliph, and the establishment of the Sharia as the sole law in Muslim countries. Then the caliph would presumably take up one of his principal duties as stipulated by Islamic law: to wage offensive jihad against non-Muslim states in order to extend Sharia rule to them also.
The abolition of the caliphate, then, accomplished precisely the opposite of what Ataturk hoped it would: it gave the adherents of political Islam a cause around which to rally, recruit, and mobilize. In essence, it gave birth to the crisis that engulfs the world today. It is likely that a destruction of the Kaaba or the Al-Aqsa Mosque would have the same effect: it would become source of spirit, not of dispirit. The jihadists would have yet another injury to add to their litany of grievances, which up to now have so effectively confused American leftists into thinking that the West is at fault in this present conflict. But the grievances always shift; the only constant is the jihad imperative. Let us not give that imperative even greater energy in the modern world by supplying such pretexts needlessly.
BTTT
It might be strategically stupid for them to do it. Or it might not. The success or failure of their strategy (which probably doesn't and never will include nukes) depends on how we react to it.
If our response was random nuking of Muslim cities, I'd have to say that their use of nukes might well be strategically brilliant, because of the likely response of the rest of the world (including China and Russia, for opportunistic reasons) to our actions.
If, however, our response was to quickly and violently take down the governmental and religious institutions that supported them (as in Afghanistan), then I'd say their use of nukes would be a strategic disaster, because in that case places like China and Russia, and probably even Europe, would take advantage of the opportunity to crush Radical Islam in their own spheres of influence. An added benefit would be that we end up in direct control of the oil in these sh*tholes.
Bottom line is this: responding to terrorist attacks with nukes probably does far more harm than good. IMO it's far more effective to take the "imperialist" route.
Nope. Never was, either. But perhaps you're only pretending to be dense.
Nice to see you back, rdb. Hope you're feeling well.
That is exactly the question I posed and answered myself in the immediate wake of a spate of media whitewash articles attempting to "humanise" the London bombers, one story prattling on about how the good young man helpd handicapped and disadvantaged children...
IF we cannot tell the difference between the quiet, agreeable "man of faith" helping in, and ostensibly contributing to, our communities - AND the vociferous, hate filled, polarising wahaabi-extremist-type...
Once it comes down to their actions, then can we know who we may trust? If so, how?
No, we cannot, and there is a demonstrated consequence already to pretending that we can and may do so!
Therefore, in the name of insuring our own survival and the safety and prosperity of future generations - the muslims have, in and of themselves and the failures of their own communities to what is right despite repeated opportunities, brought down the weight of a narrowing field of options as to how we must deal with them and secure ourselves.
We CANNOT TRUST THEM, NO NOT EVEN ONE!!!
Therefore it is time to start closing mosques, deporting with permanent exclusions, interning, and registering them in stages.
I really do not care where or how it begins - I only care for the future of my country first and shoulder to shoulder for the other countries who would remain democracies and Constitutional republics free of the threat of islam and sharia second - THAT IT BEGIN NOW. YESTERDAY or TODAY.
YUP! Today would be good. Or Next Monday at 9:00am EST.
Like Nike, JUST FRIGGIN' DO IT.
AN ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
A stitch in time saves nine, etc...
A.A.C.
"Let the Final Crusade commence!"
"And you're going to start a real shooting war with all of them."
The same "they" you refer to as "them", you frigging moron.
-PJ
Analogy, after analogy, after analogy...NUKE THEM NOW, before they nuke us...bottom line!
If you re-read the post to which you're referring, it is clear that the "them" I was talking about is the billion or so Muslims with whom we are not currently in a shooting war. Thus, unlike you, I have provided a definition of "them."
you frigging moron
LOL! Do you eat with that mouth?
Nuke who?
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