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In Bush Win, House Narrowly Approves CAFTA
Associated Press ^ | July 27, 2005 | JIM ABRAMS

Posted on 07/27/2005 9:14:44 PM PDT by RWR8189

WASHINGTON - The House narrowly approved the Central American Free Trade Agreement early Thursday, a personal triumph for President Bush, who campaigned aggressively for the accord he said would foster prosperity and democracy in the hemisphere.

The 217-215 vote just after midnight adds six Latin American countries to the growing lists of nations with free trade agreements with the United States and averts what could have been a major political embarrassment for the Bush administration.

It was an uphill effort to win a majority, with Bush traveling to Capitol Hill earlier in the day to appeal to wavering Republicans to support a deal he said was critical to U.S. national security.

Lobbying continued right up to the vote, with Vice President Dick Cheney, U.S. Trade Representative Rob Portman (news, bio, voting record) and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez tracking undecided lawmakers.

The United States signed the accord, known as CAFTA, a year ago with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic, and the Senate approved it last month. It now goes to the president for his signature.

To capture a majority, supporters had to overcome what some have called free trade fatigue, a growing sentiment that free trade deals such as the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada have contributed to a loss of well-paying American jobs and the soaring trade deficit.

Democrats, who were overwhelmingly against CAFTA, also argued that its labor rights provisions were weak and would result in exploitation of workers in Central America.

But supporters pointed out that CAFTA would over time eliminate tariffs and other trade barriers that impede U.S. sales to the region, correcting the current situation in which 80 percent of Central American goods enter the United States duty-free but Americans must pay heavy tariffs.

The agreement would also strengthen intellectual property protections and make it easier for Americans to invest in the region.

"This is a test of American leadership in a changing world," said Rep. Kevin Brady (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, a leading proponent of the agreement. "We cannot claim to be fighting for American jobs and yet turn our backs on 44 million new customers in Central America.


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To: Nachum

What would the effect have been on domestic prices?

The greatest export of the Thid World is deflation.


141 posted on 07/27/2005 10:28:58 PM PDT by RWR8189 (I Will Sit on My Hands in 2008 Instead of Voting for McCain)(No Money for the NRSC)
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To: F16Fighter
Isn't the President supposed to lead?? Naaah, he's the problem

You mean you're not lining up behind his stiring oratory??

142 posted on 07/27/2005 10:29:31 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: patriciaruth
We've already had progress, Patty. Roberts is solid, and whoever is coming next will be even better.

The President has never backed off his promise about judges, and IMO, that's the most significant thing he can do for conservatism.

(And he has never backed off lowering taxes........which Reagan did).

They're both strong on the military, and had followed despicable presidents in that area...

Only history will tell, but I will stand by my position that Bush will do more in the long run for conservatism than Reagan.

And now, I'm leaving this conversation for a good conservative night's sleep.... :)

143 posted on 07/27/2005 10:30:14 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The unemployment rate will be over 10% between now and 2010, followed by nearly full employment when being without a job is outlawed.


144 posted on 07/27/2005 10:31:18 PM PDT by jeremiah (Patrick Henry said it best, give me liberty or give me death.)
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To: Nachum
Which means that they sold even more to us, and in the process destablized important American industries.

Yup, to the point where our economy is growing at 3%+ and unemployment is 5%. They screwed us so bad they should be booming, right? What's their GDP growing at? What's their unemployment? Better than ours? Better than ours since 1994? I don't think so, but if you can prove they are.......

And which industries have they destabilized?

145 posted on 07/27/2005 10:32:05 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Nachum
"How about the trade arrangement we had before NAFTA? If we had done nothing, we would have lowered our trade deficit with Mexico and Canada by 87 billion." - Nachum

That's marginally possible (though keep in mind that we import quite a bit of oil from Mexico), but is it desirable?

Are trade deficits always a problem? Are trade deficits always the *biggest* economic problem?

Or do trade deficits merely make good boogeymen...easy to demagogue?

146 posted on 07/27/2005 10:32:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: F16Fighter
I'm not disagreeing with you on the border, but I maintain that it is not the same issue.

I understand that your main issue is border security, but that does not preclude free trade with Mexico, Central and South America.

147 posted on 07/27/2005 10:32:38 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
"This trade deal has a clause about the service sector trade can't have immigration restrictions put on it which violate the act. So control of illegal immigration would violate the act." - TheEaglehasLanded

That's patently incorrect. Show your source for such outlandish comments.

148 posted on 07/27/2005 10:33:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: F16Fighter

Isn't the President supposed to lead?? Naaah, he's the problem

While you are sitting at the Jersey shore, I am sitting
15 miles north of the largest border crossing in the
world. Though there are tons of problems, This is not
something Bush can do by himself and since this has
been going on long before he became prez this same
hate should have been directed at Clinton since he could
have done something by himself.


149 posted on 07/27/2005 10:34:11 PM PDT by SoCalPol (More Died At Chappaquiddic than Guantanamo)
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To: jeremiah
That's a 5% in 4 1/2 years. What's going to make that happen?

And can I bookmark this and bring it up to you when your dire prediction doesn't happen?

150 posted on 07/27/2005 10:34:25 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: jeremiah
Patrick Henry said it best, give me liberty or give me death

Naw.

Give me liberty or give me a stinger.

I like Patton's attitude about that. "Let the other poor ba$tard die for his country."

151 posted on 07/27/2005 10:34:49 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: jeremiah
The unemployment rate will be over 10% between now and 2010, followed by nearly full employment when being without a job is outlawed.

No shorter term predictions? Come on, a huge disaster like CAFTA should boost our unemployment rate almost immediately.

How about in the next year or two? I don't want to have to wait 5 years before laughing you off of FR.

152 posted on 07/27/2005 10:35:03 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: montag813
Try actually reading CAFTA. No jackbooted thugs. Just Bayer and Merck selling the "safe", FDA-approved versions to you at 10 times the price you pay now. But go ahead and laugh it up. I'm sure you don't use vitamins or supplements, right?

I've researched this in good faith and can't find anything to support your claim. The Codex standards will not nullify existing law as some people claim.

The health food store trade association says CAFTA will have no effect on our access to supplements. Don't you think they, of all people, would be screaming if there was a threat here?

http://www.nnfa.org/codex/news.htm#senatecafta

153 posted on 07/27/2005 10:35:10 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: RWR8189

The GOP is the free trade party, the Dems the protectionist party. The Dems protect a lot: incompetent teachers, predatory trial lawyers, cosseted public employees and their unions with ludicrous taxpayer funded pension plans (unions only have traction these days in monopolistic or oligopolistic industres, the rest are dying (and government and regulated utilities are monopoly central by definition), affirmative action spoils seakers, and business who can't compete, in short, sort of Luddite central in an nutshell. Yes it is a generalization, but a fair one. That is how I see it.


154 posted on 07/27/2005 10:35:51 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

Couldn't have said it better myself.


155 posted on 07/27/2005 10:36:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (Life Ain't Fair, GET OVER IT!)
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To: Nachum
"Which means that they sold even more to us," - Nachum

Improved trade by *both* nations means, by definition, greater prosperity. Even you admit that economic activity between both nations is up after NAFTA. Think about that fact.

" and in the process destablized important American industries." - Nachum

You'll have a difficult time supporting that claim with any evidence.

China and Mexico have *LOST* 22 million manufacturing jobs over the past half decade...The U.S. has only lost 2 million.
China and Mexico Lost 22 Million Manufacturing Jobs Overall

156 posted on 07/27/2005 10:39:11 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SoCalPol

"Though there are tons of problems, This is not
something Bush can do by himself"

Bush could do something by himself. He hasn't tried and he's resisted everyone who has. Bush is a complete failure when it comes to border security. I know most other politicians are as well, but Bush is the one with the most power to fix this the problem right now.


157 posted on 07/27/2005 10:39:52 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: F16Fighter
"The "border" is an unmitigated security disasater. And WHY must we await a bill submitted by a House member before doing something about the border?" - F16Fighter

Our border is *better* today than back in 2000.

I just spent 9 days along the U.S. - Mexico border, including 2 days around Playa de Tijuana and Tijuana itself. Unlike what you'd see 5 years ago, you don't see hordes of illegals running and swimming across the border. You *do* see U.S. border patrols, U.S. Coast Guard ship patrols, helicopter patrols, and a big steel fence that GWB built after 9/11.

Now granted, this increased border security probably isn't perfect, but it irritates me that people are claiming that we've "done nothing" or that our borders are still "wide open" and other such nonsense.

Yes, there are remote desert areas where environmental groups have successfully sued the Bush Administration in order to slow the construction of the steel fence. Yes, those remote areas *are* passable on foot (but you'd better bring a bunch of water and be prepared to hike for miles) for now. So clearly more needs to be done.

But we also have to give credit where it is due, and there has been substantial progress on border security in the last 3 years, contrary to the people who keep writing articles based on pre-9/11 information.

Once easy, Illegal Immigration Now Risky:President Bush Builds 12 ft Tall Steel Fence Along Mexican Border From The Pacific Into Arizona, Plus Around Major Populated Areas In Arizona and Texas

Illegals Deported By The Planeload Now

158 posted on 07/27/2005 10:41:51 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RWR8189

You must work for the govt. or hire illegals.


159 posted on 07/27/2005 10:42:16 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Torie
The Dems protect a lot: incompetent teachers, predatory trial lawyers, cosseted public employees and their unions with ludicrous taxpayer funded pension plans (unions only have traction these days in monopolistic or oligopolistic industries, the rest are dying (and government and regulated utilities are monopoly central by definition), affirmative action spoils seekers, and businesses who can't compete...

Great post. The amount of political power wielded by Gubmint employees is growing like wildfire.

160 posted on 07/27/2005 10:42:24 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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