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Christopher Hitchens: WE CANNOT SURRENDER, States which shelter these killers will know no peace
mirror.co.uk ^ | July 8, 2005 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 07/27/2005 10:27:29 AM PDT by Tolik

SOMEWHERE around London at about a quarter to nine yesterday morning, there must have been people turning on their TV and radio sets with a look of wolfish expectation.

I hope and believe that they were disappointed in what they got. There just wasn't quite enough giggle-value for the psychopath.

It must have been infernal underneath King's Cross, but above ground no panic, no screaming, no wailing and beating the air, no yells for vengeance.

I'm writing this in the early aftermath, but I would be willing to bet there will have been little or no bloody foolishness, either: no random attacks on mosques or shops or individuals. After all, devices on our buses and tubes are an open proclamation that the perpetrators don't care if they kill Muslims. Which, of course, is part of the point. When we use the weak and vague word "terrorism" we imply indiscriminate cruelty directed at civilians.

"Sadism" or "fascism" or "nihilism" would do just as nicely: all the venom that lurks just on the sub-human level of the human species.

In a tightly interwoven society, all that this poison has to do is ally itself with a certain low cunning.

People are afraid of plane crashes and of heights: in that sense 9/11 was the perfect strike on the collective unconscious. People are likewise afraid of fire and of crowded or subterranean conditions: the mind of the fascist is naturally attuned to exploit such dreads. I am guessing the planners of this coordinated atrocity hoped for more mayhem than they got, but the casualty figures are in a sense beside the point.

WE all knew this was coming, and that one day a homely and familiar name like Tavistock Square would become a synonym for barbarism. The good old red London bus, a worldwide symbol of our capital, ripped to shards in an instant.

Random and "senseless" though such violence may appear, we also all know it expresses a deadly ideology; indeed that in some ways it is that ideology.

The preachers of this faith have taken care to warn us that they love death more than we love life. Their wager is that this makes them unstoppable. Well, we shall have to see. They certainly cannot prove their point unless we assist them in doing so.

My American friends have been impressed by the composure of the Londoners they have seen on the screen: I bet London Transport runs again rather sooner than US airlines resumed flying after 9/11.

I remember living in London through the Provisional IRA bombing in the 70s. I saw the very first car-bomb explode against the Old Bailey in 1972. There was no warning that time, but after a while a certain etiquette developed.

And, even as I detested the people who might have just as soon have blown me up as anyone else, I was aware there were ancient disputes involved, and that there was a potential political solution.

Nothing of the sort applies in this case. We know very well what the "grievances" of the jihadists are.

The grievance of seeing unveiled women. The grievance of the existence, not of the State of Israel, but of the Jewish people. The grievance of the heresy of democracy, which impedes the imposition of sharia law. The grievance of a work of fiction written by an Indian living in London. The grievance of the existence of black African Muslim farmers, who won't abandon lands in Darfur. The grievance of the existence of homosexuals. The grievance of music, and of most representational art. The grievance of the existence of Hinduism. The grievance of East Timor's liberation from Indonesian rule. All of these have been proclaimed as a licence to kill infidels or apostates, or anyone who just gets in the way.

FOR a few moments yesterday, Londoners received a taste of what life is like for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, whose Muslim faith does not protect them from slaughter at the hands of those who think they are not Muslim enough, or are the wrong Muslim.

It is a big mistake to believe this is an assault on "our" values or "our" way of life. It is, rather, an assault on all civilisation. I know perfectly well there are people thinking, and even saying, that Tony Blair brought this upon us by his alliance with George Bush.

A word of advice to them: try and keep it down, will you? Or wait at least until the funerals are over. And beware of the non-sequitur: you can be as opposed to the Iraq operation as much as you like, but you can't get from that "grievance" to the detonating of explosives at rush hour on London buses and tubes.

Don't even try to connect the two. By George Galloway's logic, British squaddies in Iraq are the root cause of dead bodies at home. How can anyone bear to be so wicked and stupid? How can anyone bear to act as a megaphone for psychotic killers?

The grievances I listed above are unappeasable, one of many reasons why the jihadists will lose.

They demand the impossible - the cessation of all life in favour of prostration before a totalitarian vision. Plainly, we cannot surrender. There is no one with whom to negotiate, let alone capitulate.

We shall track down those responsible. States that shelter them will know no peace. Communities that shelter them do not take forever to discover their mistake. And their sordid love of death is as nothing compared to our love of London, which we will defend as always, and which will survive this with ease.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christopherhitchens; hitchens; islam; islamism; jihad; jihadists; london; londonattacked; waronterror; wot; wwiv
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To: Tolik

Put me on your list. Christopher Hitchens is so right-on that he brought tears to my eyes.


21 posted on 07/27/2005 11:25:13 AM PDT by Naomi4
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To: Naomi4
You are already on the list. :^)
22 posted on 07/27/2005 11:28:40 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
FOR a few moments yesterday, Londoners received a taste of what life is like for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, whose Muslim faith does not protect them from slaughter at the hands of those who think they are not Muslim enough, or are the wrong Muslim.

It is a big mistake to believe this is an assault on "our" values or "our" way of life. It is, rather, an assault on all civilisation. I know perfectly well there are people thinking, and even saying, that Tony Blair brought this upon us by his alliance with George Bush.

A word of advice to them: try and keep it down, will you? Or wait at least until the funerals are over. And beware of the non-sequitur: you can be as opposed to the Iraq operation as much as you like, but you can't get from that "grievance" to the detonating of explosives at rush hour on London buses and tubes.

Don't even try to connect the two. By George Galloway's logic, British squaddies in Iraq are the root cause of dead bodies at home. How can anyone bear to be so wicked and stupid? How can anyone bear to act as a megaphone for psychotic killers?

Bravo Christopher Hitchens! If only those on the left would listen. Unfortunately they are determined to get as many as possible of us killed!

23 posted on 07/27/2005 11:59:45 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: FormerACLUmember

Agreed! I especially enjoyed his takedown of Ron Reagan a couple of weeks ago. He essentially called Reagan an idiot, although in typical Hitchens fashion!


24 posted on 07/27/2005 12:01:25 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Tolik
“States that shelter them will know no peace.”

Go a step further.

Governments of nations that do not make sufficient effort to prevent their citizens from engaging in terrorists activities upon other nations will be considered silent participants to the terrorist activities, and as such participating in covert acts of war.

Nations suffering harm from such covert acts of war may take any and all actions, including war itself, to stop these nations, and the governments of these terrorist nations from further participation in the covert war.

If anyone thinks I am wrong in taking this approach, be very mindful these terrorists are originating from some of the most intolerant governments the world has known, and the permissive participation of their citizens in covert acts of war can only be achieved with the collaborative acceptance of these governments.
25 posted on 07/27/2005 12:09:34 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Tolik

Hitch is one of those rare individuals on the left who have understood this from the very beginning.


26 posted on 07/27/2005 12:16:52 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Tolik

Wow - pretty soon he's going to think they're as bad as Mother Theresa.


27 posted on 07/27/2005 12:23:01 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Tolik
States that shelter them will know no peace.

Unless you're Iran or Syria or Saudi Arabia or Egypt or...

Nice sentiments. Maybe I'm jaded, but Mr. Hitchens is going to discover that the passion to do something about this will burn off eventually and Iran will have the ability to incinerate London when it's too late.

28 posted on 07/27/2005 12:32:47 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Tolik; YaYa123; nuconvert; AdmSmith; Valin; katman

PING!


29 posted on 07/27/2005 12:46:49 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Tolik

please add me to your nailed it ping list
thanks


30 posted on 07/27/2005 12:50:09 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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To: curtisgardner

On. Thanks


31 posted on 07/27/2005 12:55:05 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Rutles4Ever
Yes, he was wrong and is wrong on other stuff, but here he is right. Dershovitz is another example of a raving leftist who gets the WWIV. Unfortunately, we don't have that many allies, so I'll use what we can get.
32 posted on 07/27/2005 12:58:54 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Sabramerican
That why are you so pro-"Palestinian" and anti-Israel, Chris?

Perhaps Hitch is beginning to reassess some of his old canards.

33 posted on 07/27/2005 1:06:48 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Tolik; USF; Fred Nerks; CHARLITE
Great post Tolik.

The preachers of this faith have taken care to warn us that they love death more than we love life[...] There is no one with whom to negotiate, let alone capitulate.

There is no dialog, no appeasement, NO COMPROMISE.

Islam destroys all that it touches.

34 posted on 07/27/2005 1:13:50 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: Tolik; backhoe; Stopislamnow; Fred Nerks; canalabamian; Critical Bill; CBart95; Leapfrog; ...
Stupendous! Thanks a million for finding and posting this! I sometimes disagree intensely with Hitchens, but he's on the mark with this one, and I love it when he says with such confidence that since appeasement really isn't even possible with these vermin, that's one of the many reasons for which global islamification will fail.

As my friend, Barbara J. Stocks says, "Evil can win if good men do nothing." So, we all need to pull together to defeat this 1,400 year old monster.

We in our generation of Americans have been chosen by Providence, to complete its eradication from the face of the earth. Only complete extinction will suffice.

Thanks again for this post!

Char (:

35 posted on 07/27/2005 1:27:51 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Tolik
I find it very helpful to read people like Hitch to counter the steady drivel spewed out by the MSM on the subject of fighting terrorism. There are good writers out there, you just have to find them. For fine reporting on Iraq - and excellent photos - read Michael Yon if you haven't already. He's an independent journalist who does a terrific job of capturing what daily life is like for the soldiers and what is really going on with the "insurgency". It's not what you're hearing on TV.
36 posted on 07/27/2005 1:49:32 PM PDT by Sabatier
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To: Tolik

Big bttt!


37 posted on 07/27/2005 1:59:03 PM PDT by metesky (This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: Tolik
My American friends have been impressed by the composure of the Londoners they have seen on the screen: I bet London Transport runs again rather sooner than US airlines resumed flying after 9/11.

I saw that "composure" as a sign that Londoners have accepted it as their fate to be terrorist victims. The terrorists saw it the same way and hit them again two weeks later.

38 posted on 07/27/2005 2:05:10 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Tolik
Don't even try to connect the two. By George Galloway's logic, British squaddies in Iraq are the root cause of dead bodies at home. How can anyone bear to be so wicked and stupid? How can anyone bear to act as a megaphone for psychotic killers.

It seems ironic that this was written by a man who quite proudly boasted of his Marxist affiliations and studies when he was at Oxford.
Now he is faced with a group who wish to change the Country according to the will of Allah and not Karl

39 posted on 07/27/2005 2:15:13 PM PDT by scouse
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To: jan in Colorado

"The grievance of seeing unveiled women. The grievance of the existence, not of the State of Israel, but of the Jewish people. The grievance of the heresy of democracy, which impedes the imposition of sharia law. The grievance of a work of fiction written by an Indian living in London. The grievance of the existence of black African Muslim farmers, who won't abandon lands in Darfur. The grievance of the existence of homosexuals. The grievance of music, and of most representational art. The grievance of the existence of Hinduism. The grievance of East Timor's liberation from Indonesian rule. All of these have been proclaimed as a licence to kill infidels or apostates, or anyone who just gets in the way."

And now let us ask ourselves how do the clerics achieve their ends, how do they persuade and control the young men into giving up their own lives to commit such murderous, vile deeds? Here's one example:

Scene: Park, somewhere near London. Families, men, women and children, enjoying the weather, laughing, sitting around, sharing food, a picnic arranged as an inter-faith event. Everything looks peaceful.

Meanwhile, a short distance away, a group of young men of ME appearance are playing soccer. Several agree to be interviewed. Here is their story:

Osama works for the CIA. America arranged 9/11 to make islam look bad; there was a bomb on the aircraft that flew into the World Trade Centre, the US was responsible for that, they wanted to make sure thousands would die. Muslims around the world are being slaughtered in the millions, children are being killed, women raped. Is it any wonder they are angry? That so many want revenge? To give their own lives is the only solution...look, we have the books, the film to prove it, the West has been slaughtering muslims for centuries...and now it's going on in Palestine (?) Afghanistan and Iraq!
Our brothers and sisters are being slaughtered!

Who tells them such lies? The cleric! Where do they find the books and the films? In the mosque or the islamic bookshop beside it. Who is responsible? THE CLERICS. It's no wonder the families in so many instances are NOT aware of the activities of their own Mohammad, they live in a different world. Mother, father and siblings are eating roast chicken and potato salad in the sun, while the young men are nothing but moronic robots controlled by the filthy fat imams!

We have one in Oz who qualifies for terrorism recruiter, our security services watch him 24/7. He spews the same filth from the same wahhabi script. His 'mosque' is a shopfront, he only has 100 followers. And that's 100 too many IMO.

If the West is guilty of anything, it's the sheer stupidity of allowing the preachers of hatred into our countries. The koran is a receipe book for terror, the kitchen is in the mosque and the imam is the stirrer!









40 posted on 07/27/2005 4:22:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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