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France stands firm on deportation of cleric
IHT ^ | 07/25/05 | IHT

Posted on 07/26/2005 6:42:19 AM PDT by Pikamax

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1 posted on 07/26/2005 6:42:20 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Le Frogs have the right idea, for a change.


2 posted on 07/26/2005 6:44:21 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Stand by for suicide attacks on the Paris Metro.


3 posted on 07/26/2005 6:45:07 AM PDT by speedy
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Sacre bleu...the French have found their spine.


4 posted on 07/26/2005 6:46:51 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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France standing firm?!? Are you sure he didn't merely leave on his own or is taking a short vacation back to the homeland?


5 posted on 07/26/2005 6:47:35 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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Hey, I thought the Algerians kicked out the French 40 years ago because they didn't like them. So what's this guy doing sniffing around France anyway?


6 posted on 07/26/2005 6:48:27 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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"France stands firm" - they must be sleep-walking.


7 posted on 07/26/2005 6:49:26 AM PDT by loreldan (Lincoln, Reagan, & G. W. Bush - the cure for Democrat lunacy.)
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To: Pikamax; tx_eggman

Do you think this will give SCOTUS the "international" example it needs to make this a policy in the US?


8 posted on 07/26/2005 6:50:06 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (Would you like an apple pie with that?)
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To: backhoe; goldstategop

Wonders never cease.


9 posted on 07/26/2005 6:51:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Marine recruiter to Hillary: "But maybe the dogs would take you.")
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The French finally did something right.


10 posted on 07/26/2005 6:54:50 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: mtbopfuyn

actually france is tougher on this than any other western country that I know of. It is certainly tougher than the UK.


11 posted on 07/26/2005 6:56:03 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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Hopefully the Euro-Centric Liberals in this country will see this report and decide that we are not keeping up with the latest fad.

 

12 posted on 07/26/2005 6:57:26 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results is the definition of insanity.)
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Alright, so their gone, but they are still out there teaching hate. This sounds like a Clinton-ish idea, just put your head back in the sand and go La-La-La and the boogy man is no longer a problem.


13 posted on 07/26/2005 6:58:23 AM PDT by txroadhawg (Don't believe any statistics unless you made them up yourself)
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To: clee1
These individuals should spend a few months at GITMO for some interrogation prior to being deported.
14 posted on 07/26/2005 6:58:45 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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Good for the French. Here, in the USA, we would be damned by the PC geeks for profiling.


15 posted on 07/26/2005 6:59:47 AM PDT by Moleman
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Amen, if the french are out there deporting these Terrorist Sympathizing clerics why the hell can't the united states and london?


16 posted on 07/26/2005 7:00:29 AM PDT by SDGOP
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Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, a Frenchman with neurons and testosterone.


17 posted on 07/26/2005 7:01:27 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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And apparently non-French, Eastern European surname. Probably has not much use for Chirac, either.


18 posted on 07/26/2005 7:09:18 AM PDT by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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Interesting. I may even consider a bottle of French wine. No, on the other hand, I won't go that far yet!


19 posted on 07/26/2005 7:11:41 AM PDT by moasicwolf
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"Stand by for suicide attacks on the Paris Metro."

Won't happen.
France is a different animal than Britain.
There is no 4th, 5th or 6th Amendment, for starters.
The French government spies on whoever it thinks it needs to, whenever, and there is no exclusionary rule in French law. In other words, information obtained illegally, or extracted through coercion, etc., will all be used.

France had a bad bit of Islamist terror bombing back in the 1970s, and responded with a ferocious counterintelligence effort.

Also, remember that while there is freedom of conscience in France, which includes freedom of religion, all associations, including religions, have to be formally registered. It is illegal to operate an unregistered religious association. Catholicism, Reformed Protestantism, Jewish branches, Lutheranism and centralized, moderate Islam is registered.

Note the cautiously positive response of the Muslim officials. Why? Because the Grand Mufti of Paris and his clerics have a legal monopoly on the Muslim franchise in France. They are registered, and therefore their doctrines have passed muster with the French state as not being fundamentally opposed to the democratic values of the society.

Radical madrassas are unregistered and illegal, and prime places for immigration sweeps and deportations (not to mention sanctions for merely existing: you cannot have a religious organization in France if it is not authorized and registered with the government). Radical imams who operate through the official. legal Muslim institute imperil the franchise, and therefore tend to be ratted out to the authorities.
And anyway the state has very thoroughly penetrated the whole Muslim establishment in France and has operatives everywhere.

The bombings won't happen in the Paris Metro, probably, for those reasons, but also because all it would do is cause France to openly declare with the US (they are already with the US when it comes to troops on the ground in Afghanistan, and the Paris-based counter-terrorism center is the primary clearinghouse for international cooperation on terrorism intelligence) and further setback the Islamist cause.

Sarkozy will deport the radical leaders, and the bombs WON'T blow up.

Of course, this would all be unconstitutional in the USA.


20 posted on 07/26/2005 7:12:16 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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