[Sam Hill]

Larry C. Johnson is a member of VIPS.

Ray McGovern, who runs the group was also one of the signers of Larry Johnson's letter to Congress demanding punishment of the Plame leakers.

Many of the signers of that letter are VIPS members.

[the Real fifi]

Sam this is an excellent find.

[DoughtyOne]

Well, I hope the Justice Department works up a worthy response to something like this taking place. If a conspiracy can be proven, perhaps McGovern could go along for the ride to prison.

[LibFreeOrDie]

But the CIA said McGovern doesn't have any authority to speak of the quality of intelligence policy-makers are reviewing. "He left the agency over a decade ago," spokesman Mark Mansfield said. "He's hardly in a position to comment knowledgeably on that subject."

That pretty much destroys his credibility!

[Southack]

fyi

[Sam Hill]

Since this is actually an AP story, I think I'll go ahead and post the rest of it:

"...On top of that, the culture of the CIA is very introverted -- disputes stay inside the agency and intelligence officers rarely discuss policy, adopting the attitude that their job is to gather and dispense information, not decide how to act on it.

"Our role is to call it like we see it, to provide objective, unvarnished assessments. That's the code we live by, and that's what policy-makers expect from us," Mansfield said.

But McGovern, who now works in an inner-city outreach ministry in Washington, said officials who blow the whistle would be performing a higher service.

"It goes against the whole ethic of secrecy and going through channels, and going to the [inspector general]. It takes a courageous person to get by all that, and say, 'I've got a higher duty,'" he said.

Administration officials insist that the data being reviewed and dispensed is of the highest quality, and point to the materials handed out to the United Nations by Secretary of State Colin Powell.

"These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence," Powell said at the presentation.

But McGovern and others in this group say it's no secret that the material leaked to members of Congress or administration officials frequently is one-sided and gives a narrow picture of the entire outlook.

The group said officials who act as would-be whistle-blowers can use the same method as those now handing out information -- giving it over to members of Congress who can both protect them and show the entire picture.

"They have to basically put conscience before career," said Patrick Eddington, a VIPS member and former CIA agent who resigned in 1996 to protest what he describes as the agency's refusal to investigate some of the possible causes of Gulf War veterans' medical problems.

Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism chief, said he saw little chance of CIA analysts going public to contradict the Bush administration.

"Sure, there's a lot of disagreement among analysts in the intelligence community on how things are going to be used [by policy-makers]," he said. "But you are not going to see people making public resignations. That would mean giving up your career."

[Howlin]

Here's some of Larry Johnson's INTELLIGENCE:

The Declining Threat of Terrorism, The New York Times, July 10, 2001

Check the DATE!!!!

[Darkwolf377]

I wonder if this adds to the theory that Fitzgerald may in fact be investigating this angle in his investigation.

If he's not, I have zero confidence Porter Goss or Bush, both of whom I really like, aren't going to touch it. But this is really alarming.

[doug from upland]

Leaking classified national defense information is illegal, and CIA officers, who take a secrecy oath when they join could lose their security clearances or jobs, and may even face prosecution...
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Can't we hang these guys?

[nopardons]

bttt

[goldstategop]

Pot calling the kettle black.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[26lemoncharlie]

Somewhere in all this mess is a link to Clinton - Take it to the Bank!

[kcvl]

The 25-member group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, composed mostly of former CIA analysts along with a few operational agents, is urging employees inside the intelligence agency to break the law and leak any information they have that could show the Bush administration is engineering the release of evidence to match its penchant for war.

[hosepipe]

Amazing Porter Goss don't know ANY democrat is a security threat/risk in the CIA or FBI for that matter..

There might be the odd loyal democrat but I doubt it.. What the entire party stands for is against a free republic.. The mostly democrat State Department is another security risk.. national security is joke.. because of that..

[piasa]

SEPTEMBER 29, 2003 Monday : (RAY MCGOVERN 'CONFIRMS' PLAME'S STATUS AS A 'DEEP COVER OPERATIVE RUNNING INFORMANTS ON WMD', ALSO ADMITS KNOWING WILSON) Ray McGovern, who was for 27-years a senior analyst for the CIA, further confirms the status of Plame within the CIA. “I know Joseph Wilson well enough to know,” said McGovern in a telephone conversation we had today, “that his wife was in fact a deep cover operative running a network of informants on what is supposedly this administration’s first-priority issue: Weapons of mass destruction.” -------- DemocraticUnderground.com, Mon Sep-29-03 05:49 PM

* Ray McGovern

Ray McGovern is the frequent William Rivers Pitt (DU SuperStar) source who "knew Joe Wilson well enough to know" that his wife was an undercover agent. Ray McGovern is the guy who participated in a 9/11 conspiracy theory panel [http://www.911truth.org/newyork.html] along with Cynthia McKinney, Michael Ruppert (From the Wilderness), Wayne Madsen, Pitt and Medea Benjamin. Ray McGovern is affiliated with Lyndon LaRouche. 7 posted on 01/21/2004 8:44:57 PM PST by seamole

SEPTEMBER 30, 2004 : (DRAFT MYTH : RAY MCGOVERN WRITES ARTICLE THAT APPEARS ON THE WEB PAGES OF THE MUSLIM AMERICAN SOCIETY : IN IT HE CLAIMS THERE IS GOING TO BE A DRAFT AFTER THE ELECTION) It’s not an “if.” It’s a “when.” Pentagon officials have indicated that they plan to send as many as 15,000 additional troops during the first four months of 2005, and the President George W. Bush continues to insist “we will stay the course” until Iraq is stabilized. (I do wish his advisers would provide a different vocabulary so that those of us steeped in the mistakes regarding Vietnam could be spared painful flashbacks.) Where will the additional troops come from? The Bush administration insists there will be no draft, but its credibility has been badly tarnished. The “backdoor draft” that... -----------------Lots More Troops To Iraq... After the Election Muslim American Society ^ | 30 Sep 2004 | Ray McGovern

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[Conservativegreatgrandma]

This is scary, scary stuff. These Bush haters would rather see their own country attacked by radical muslims than let Bush succeed in his attempt to protect his country.

These people are traitors.

[stocksthatgoup]

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), formed in January 2003 "to speak out on the use of intelligence to justify the war," is "a coast-to-coast enterprise; mostly intelligence officers from analysis side of CIA, but Operations side also represented. "[1] (http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles5/VIPS_UN-Inspectors.htm)[2] (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0207-04.htm)[3] (http://www.spacewar.com/2003/030417232627.crweaphw.html)

VIPS Steering Group

• Kathleen McGrath Christison, Santa Fe, NM
• William Christison, Santa Fe, NM
• David MacMichael, Linden, VA
• Raymond McGovern, Arlington, VA
• Richard Beske, San Diego, CA
• Patrick G. Eddington, Alexandria, VA

Other Alleged VIPS Members

• Eugene Betit[4] (http://blogistonpost.blogspot.com/2003_05_25_blogistonpost_archive.html)
• Ray Close[5] (http://blogistonpost.blogspot.com/2003_05_25_blogistonpost_archive.html)
• Larry Johnson[6] (http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10224)