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The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies
City Journal ^ | Summer, 2005 | Kay S. Hymowitz

Posted on 07/25/2005 4:34:39 PM PDT by StoneGiant

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To: jammer
If the breakdown were a necessary outcome, then Irish immigrant and Jewish people would not have the strong family structures they have.

The experience of both the Irish and Jews is different from Blacks. The Jews have a strong religious tradition that tells them they are God's chosen people. No matter what collective or individual tragedies befall them, they are God's chosen. They know where they fit, they are part of a plan that's bigger than anything happening to them at the moment.

The Irish experienced discrimination that is common to all immigrant groups. In the end, their children speak without accents and look like us and are accepted.

Blacks were brought to America as slaves. To deprive a people of their freedom and feel good about it, their humanity was minimized. They fell some where between human and animal, legally, they were 3/5 human. Their religion was taken from them, their names were taken from them, they were removed from their families and what relationships they formed were subject to the whims and sensibilities of their masters.

They were given new names, and a new religion that taught them to be good slaves. After the "War of Northern Aggression", they were free to make it on their own without the tools necessary to do that. Many did make it and their success made them targets of those who felt the color of their skin gave them entitlement to lynch, rape, and steal. Communities were destroyed without consequence to the destroyers or aid to the displaced (check out "Black Wall Street).

All of that happened before welfare, my friend. While some still feel justified in dragging a human being to death behind a truck, others are outraged and demand justice. Blacks have been subjected to generation after generation after generation of abuse. It may take several more generations before the effects of abuse fades.

21 posted on 07/25/2005 7:16:40 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: jammer
If the breakdown were a necessary outcome, then Irish immigrant and Jewish people would not have the strong family structures they have.

Fortunately for the Irish and Jewish waves, they managed to get themselves into the middle class before welfare arrived.

Being married is work. You have to put up with the annoying and neurotic behavior of your spouse day in and day out. If you're poor, and the welfare benefits, all added up, come out to more than a husband's take-home pay, a bunch of women are going to decide to not bother getting married

A good chunk of the uptick in marriage that's mentioned in the article is likely caused by the current limit on welfare benefit duration -- one of Clinton's few redeeming legacies. If the welfare checks stop after 5 years, you suddenly find out its good to have somebody sticking around to help pay the bills and raise the kids

22 posted on 07/25/2005 7:25:51 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: StoneGiant

Like the hundred or so similar pieces that have preceded this one, all written by objectively-positioned professional analysts, the perceived need to spread the blame around like a gang of kids with two loaves of bread and a half-jar of peanut butter allows the author to nibble on cheese and crackers while she laments what she cannot imagine.

The urban-class is starving emotionally because nobody ever comes right out and asks them to help, to make them feel needed, to be a part of the outside world, instead, the objectivists throw cake at them and taunt them to storm the barricades.


23 posted on 07/25/2005 7:52:29 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: rdb3
(Rollin', rollin', rollin'. Get that wheelchair rollin'...)

Good to see you back on the forum.

You got twin pipes on that wheelchair...???

24 posted on 07/25/2005 8:10:17 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Old Professer
Like the hundred or so similar pieces that have preceded this one, all written by objectively-positioned professional analysts, the perceived need to spread the blame around like a gang of kids with two loaves of bread and a half-jar of peanut butter allows the author to nibble on cheese and crackers while she laments what she cannot imagine.

The urban-class is starving emotionally because nobody ever comes right out and asks them to help, to make them feel needed, to be a part of the outside world, instead, the objectivists throw cake at them and taunt them to storm the barricades.


Another apologist for the socialist dogma...
25 posted on 07/25/2005 8:47:25 PM PDT by StoneGiant
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To: StoneGiant
Kay S. Hymowitz's article, though rather lengthy highlights exactly what's wrong with the American Left: Their inability to deal with the reality of their failed public and social policies.

Although he was a staunchly loyal Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan dared to tell the truth about President Lyndon B. Johnson's atrocious 'Great Society' program, which has spiraled completely out of control. Couple that with the NOW nonsense, and the absurdity of the Children's Defense Fund, you have a surefire recipe for disaster.

As I just mentioned on a previous thread, the Leftist Elites have been systematically destroying those they deem inferior--blacks in particular--for many years while claiming to be their champions and advocates. It truly sickens me to hear any of these people talk about 'social justice' and 'equality' when they mean just the opposite. To paraphrase what a weekend radio talk show host told his audience, just giving people money and not teaching them to fish kills the spirit.

...As far as I'm concerned, the Democrat Party and the Socialist Left have slowly and steadily been killing the black American spirit for nearly fifty years, while wearing a smile.
26 posted on 07/25/2005 10:04:58 PM PDT by T Lady (The American Left: Useful Idiots for Terrorist Regimes)
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To: StoneGiant
Johnson was to call this his “greatest civil rights speech,” ....

President Lyndon B. Johnson's

Commencement Address at Howard University: "To Fulfill These Rights"

June 4, 1965

Dr. Nabrit, my fellow Americans:

I am delighted at the chance to speak at this important and this historic institution. Howard has long been an outstanding center for the education of Negro Americans. Its students are of every race and color and they come from many countries of the world. It is truly a working example of democratic excellence.

Our earth is the home of revolution. In every corner of every continent men charged with hope contend with ancient ways in the pursuit of justice. They reach for the newest of weapons to realize the oldest of dreams, that each may walk in freedom and pride, stretching his talents, enjoying the fruits of the earth.

Our enemies may occasionally seize the day of change, but it is the banner of our revolution they take. And our own future is linked to this process of swift and turbulent change in many lands in the world. But nothing in any country touches us more profoundly, and nothing is more freighted with meaning for our own destiny than the revolution of the Negro American.

In far too many ways American Negroes have been another nation: deprived of freedom, crippled by hatred, the doors of opportunity closed to hope.

In our time change has come to this Nation, too. The American Negro, acting with impressive restraint, has peacefully protested and marched, entered the courtrooms and the seats of government, demanding a justice that has long been denied. The voice of the Negro was the call to action. But it is a tribute to America that, once aroused, the courts and the Congress, the President and most of the people, have been the allies of progress.

LEGAL PROTECTION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS

Thus we have seen the high court of the country declare that discrimination based on race was repugnant to the Constitution, and therefore void. We have seen in 1957, and 1960, and again in 1964, the first civil rights legislation in this Nation in almost an entire century.

As majority leader of the United States Senate, I helped to guide two of these bills through the Senate. And, as your President, I was proud to sign the third. And now very soon we will have the fourth--a new law guaranteeing every American the right to vote.

No act of my entire administration will give me greater satisfaction than the day when my signature makes this bill, too, the law of this land.

The voting rights bill will be the latest, and among the most important, in a long series of victories. But this victory--as Winston Churchill said of another triumph for freedom--"is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

That beginning is freedom; and the barriers to that freedom are tumbling down. Freedom is the right to share, share fully and equally, in American society--to vote, to hold a job, to enter a public place, to go to school. It is the right to be treated in every part of our national life as a person equal in dignity and promise to all others.

FREEDOM IS NOT ENOUGH

But freedom is not enough. You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: Now you are free to go where you want, and do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.

You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe that you have been completely fair.

Thus it is not enough just to open the gates of opportunity. All our citizens must have the ability to walk through those gates.

This is the next and the more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity. We seek not just legal equity but human ability, not just equality as a right and a theory but equality as a fact and equality as a result.

For the task is to give 20 million Negroes the same chance as every other American to learn and grow, to work and share in society, to develop their abilities--physical, mental and spiritual, and to pursue their individual happiness.

To this end equal opportunity is essential, but not enough, not enough. Men and women of all races are born with the same range of abilities. But ability is not just the product of birth. Ability is stretched or stunted by the family that you live with, and the neighborhood you live in--by the school you go to and the poverty or the richness of your surroundings. It is the product of a hundred unseen forces playing upon the little infant, the child, and finally the man.

PROGRESS FOR SOME

This graduating class at Howard University is witness to the indomitable determination of the Negro American to win his way in American life.

The number of Negroes in schools of higher learning has almost doubled in 15 years. The number of nonwhite professional workers has more than doubled in 10 years. The median income of Negro college women tonight exceeds that of white college women. And there are also the enormous accomplishments of distinguished individual Negroes--many of them graduates of this institution, and one of them the first lady ambassador in the history of the United States.

These are proud and impressive achievements. But they tell only the story of a growing middle class minority, steadily narrowing the gap between them and their white counterparts.

A WIDENING GULF

But for the great majority of Negro Americans-the poor, the unemployed, the uprooted, and the dispossessed--there is a much grimmer story. They still, as we meet here tonight, are another nation. Despite the court orders and the laws, despite the legislative victories and the speeches, for them the walls are rising and the gulf is widening.

Here are some of the facts of this American failure.

Thirty-five years ago the rate of unemployment for Negroes and whites was about the same. Tonight the Negro rate is twice as high.

In 1948 the 8 percent unemployment rate for Negro teenage boys was actually less than that of whites. By last year that rate had grown to 23 percent, as against 13 percent for whites unemployed.

Between 1949 and 1959, the income of Negro men relative to white men declined in every section of this country. From 1952 to 1963 the median income of Negro families compared to white actually dropped from 57 percent to 53 percent.

In the years 1955 through 1957, 22 percent of experienced Negro workers were out of work at some time during the year. In 1961 through 1963 that proportion had soared to 29 percent.

Since 1947 the number of white families living in poverty has decreased 27 percent while the number of poorer nonwhite families decreased only 3 percent.

The infant mortality of nonwhites in 1940 was 70 percent greater than whites. Twenty-two years later it was 90 percent greater.

Moreover, the isolation of Negro from white communities is increasing, rather than decreasing as Negroes crowd into the central cities and become a city within a city.

Of course Negro Americans as well as white Americans have shared in our rising national abundance. But the harsh fact of the matter is that in the battle for true equality too many--far too many--are losing ground every day.

THE CAUSES OF INEQUALITY

We are not completely sure why this is. We know the causes are complex and subtle. But we do know the two broad basic reasons. And we do know that we have to act.

First, Negroes are trapped--as many whites are trapped--in inherited, gateless poverty. They lack training and skills. They are shut in, in slums, without decent medical care. Private and public poverty combine to cripple their capacities.

We are trying to attack these evils through our poverty program, through our education program, through our medical care and our other health programs, and a dozen more of the Great Society programs that are aimed at the root causes of this poverty.

We will increase, and we will accelerate, and we will broaden this attack in years to come until this most enduring of foes finally yields to our unyielding will.

But there is a second cause--much more difficult to explain, more deeply grounded, more desperate in its force. It is the devastating heritage of long years of slavery; and a century of oppression, hatred, and injustice.

SPECIAL NATURE OF NEGRO POVERTY

For Negro poverty is not white poverty. Many of its causes and many of its cures are the same. But there are differences-deep, corrosive, obstinate differences--radiating painful roots into the community, and into the family, and the nature of the individual.

These differences are not racial differences. They are solely and simply the consequence of ancient brutality, past injustice, and present prejudice. They are anguishing to observe. For the Negro they are a constant reminder of oppression. For the white they are a constant reminder of guilt. But they must be faced and they must be dealt with and they must be overcome, if we are ever to reach the time when the only difference between Negroes and whites is the color of their skin.

Nor can we find a complete answer in the experience of other American minorities. They made a valiant and a largely successful effort to emerge from poverty and prejudice.

The Negro, like these others, will have to rely mostly upon his own efforts. But he just can not do it alone. For they did not have the heritage of centuries to overcome, and they did not have a cultural tradition which had been twisted and battered by endless years of hatred and hopelessness, nor were they excluded--these others--because of race or color--a feeling whose dark intensity is matched by no other prejudice in our society.

Nor can these differences be understood as isolated infirmities. They are a seamless web. They cause each other. They result from each other. They reinforce each other.

Much of the Negro community is buried under a blanket of history and circumstance. It is not a lasting solution to lift just one corner of that blanket. We must stand on all sides and we must raise the entire cover if we are to liberate our fellow citizens.

THE ROOTS OF INJUSTICE

One of the differences is the increased concentration of Negroes in our cities. More than 73 percent of all Negroes live in urban areas compared with less than 70 percent of the whites. Most of these Negroes live in slums. Most of these Negroes live together--a separated people.

Men are shaped by their world. When it is a world of decay, ringed by an invisible wall, when escape is arduous and uncertain, and the saving pressures of a more hopeful society are unknown, it can cripple the youth and it can desolate the men.

There is also the burden that a dark skin can add to the search for a productive place in our society. Unemployment strikes most swiftly and broadly at the Negro, and this burden erodes hope. Blighted hope breeds despair. Despair brings indifferences to the learning which offers a way out. And despair, coupled with indifferences, is often the source of destructive rebellion against the fabric of society.

There is also the lacerating hurt of early collision with white hatred or prejudice, distaste or condescension. Other groups have felt similar intolerance. But success and achievement could wipe it away. They do not change the color of a man's skin. I have seen this uncomprehending pain in the eyes of the little, young Mexican-American schoolchildren that I taught many years ago. But it can be overcome. But, for many, the wounds are always open.

FAMILY BREAKDOWN

Perhaps most important--its influence radiating to every part of life--is the breakdown of the Negro family structure. For this, most of all, white America must accept responsibility. It flows from centuries of oppression and persecution of the Negro man. It flows from the long years of degradation and discrimination, which have attacked his dignity and assaulted his ability to produce for his family.

This, too, is not pleasant to look upon. But it must be faced by those whose serious intent is to improve the life of all Americans.

Only a minority--less than half--of all Negro children reach the age of 18 having lived all their lives with both of their parents. At this moment, tonight, little less than two-thirds are at home with both of their parents. Probably a majority of all Negro children receive federally-aided public assistance sometime during their childhood.

The family is the cornerstone of our society. More than any other force it shapes the attitude, the hopes, the ambitions, and the values of the child. And when the family collapses it is the children that are usually damaged. When it happens on a massive scale the community itself is crippled.

So, unless we work to strengthen the family, to create conditions under which most parents will stay together--all the rest: schools, and playgrounds, and public assistance, and private concern, will never be enough to cut completely the circle of despair and deprivation.

TO FULFILL THESE RIGHTS

There is no single easy answer to all of these problems.

Jobs are part of the answer. They bring the income which permits a man to provide for his family.

Decent homes in decent surroundings and a chance to learn--an equal chance to learn--are part of the answer.

Welfare and social programs better designed to hold families together are part of the answer.

Care for the sick is part of the answer.

An understanding heart by all Americans is another big part of the answer.

And to all of these fronts--and a dozen more--I will dedicate the expanding efforts of the Johnson administration.

But there are other answers that are still to be found. Nor do we fully understand even all of the problems. Therefore, I want to announce tonight that this fall I intend to call a White House conference of scholars, and experts, and outstanding Negro leaders--men of both races--and officials of Government at every level.

This White House conference's theme and title will be "To Fulfill These Rights."

Its object will be to help the American Negro fulfill the rights which, after the long time of injustice, he is finally about to secure.

To move beyond opportunity to achievement.

To shatter forever not only the barriers of law and public practice, but the walls which bound the condition of many by the color of his skin.

To dissolve, as best we can, the antique enmities of the heart which diminish the holder, divide the great democracy, and do wrong--great wrong--to the children of God.

And I pledge you tonight that this will be a chief goal of my administration, and of my program next year, and in the years to come. And I hope, and I pray, and I believe, it will be a part of the program of all America.

WHAT IS JUSTICE

For what is justice?

It is to fulfill the fair expectations of man.

Thus, American justice is a very special thing. For, from the first, this has been a land of towering expectations. It was to be a nation where each man could be ruled by the common consent of all--enshrined in law, given life by institutions, guided by men themselves subject to its rule. And all--all of every station and origin--would be touched equally in obligation and in liberty.

Beyond the law lay the land. It was a rich land, glowing with more abundant promise than man had ever seen. Here, unlike any place yet known, all were to share the harvest.

And beyond this was the dignity of man. Each could become whatever his qualities of mind and spirit would permit--to strive, to seek, and, if he could, to find his happiness.

This is American justice. We have pursued it faithfully to the edge of our imperfections, and we have failed to find it for the American Negro.

So, it is the glorious opportunity of this generation to end the one huge wrong of the American Nation and, in so doing, to find America for ourselves, with the same immense thrill of discovery which gripped those who first began to realize that here, at last, was a home for freedom.

All it will take is for all of us to understand what this country is and what this country must become.

The Scripture promises: "I shall light a candle of understanding in thine heart, which shall not be put out."

Together, and with millions more, we can light that candle of understanding in the heart of all America.

And, once lit, it will never again go out.

NOTE: The President spoke at 6:35 p.m. on the Main Quadrangle in front of the library at Howard University in Washington, after being awarded an honorary degree of doctor of laws. His opening words referred to Dr. James M. Nabrit, It., President of the University. During his remarks he referred to Mrs. Patricia Harris, U.S. Ambassador to Luxembourg and former associate professor of law at Howard University.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was approved by the President on August 6, 1965.

 

Personal note: I found it interesting that Johnson's speech used the word right(s) 11 times. Thats 2 more then found in the Declaration of Independence
10 more then in the Constitution
5 more then in the Bill of Rights

27 posted on 07/25/2005 11:52:52 PM PDT by lunarbicep (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts - Will Rogers)
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To: IronJack

So are you saying we should have never passsed the 1964 Civil Rights Act and blacks could just keep packing chicken dinners on those long trips from Chicago to Miss.?
Thats a real stretch to say that that was the beginning of the decline of the black family.
I'm out there"in the hood"everyday and you know what I think is the problem?
The young men want to be playas.The young women are out for the good life consumerist nonsense they see on TV.The men are not getting the education needed to provide aforementioned items.The females get mad and go into their"these n***** ain't you know what"routine.The young men lash at at those" bitches and skanless hos"and the whole cycle gets perpetrated each generation.No trust,no love in the ghetto,baby.
I am very fond of most of these kids.Many have wonderful hearts and a determination to succeed against all odds.Yet most will never get it together with the nuclear family paradigm.They are carrying way too much emotional pain and scars from their pasts.
Hey,I'm white as can be but I can RELATE.I haven't had a stable relationship in all my 58 years!


28 posted on 07/26/2005 12:06:21 AM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: RWCon
"READ Thomas Sowells Black Rednecks and White liberals ..."

And then check out "The Bell Curve".

The conclusions of whom Sowell seems to disagree with, btw.

29 posted on 07/26/2005 12:13:24 AM PDT by MitchellC (Foolishness isn't a mental disorder.)
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To: lucysmom
Blacks have been subjected to generation after generation after generation of abuse. It may take several more generations before the effects of abuse fades.

By and large, the only people abusing blacks in America today are other blacks. Blacks were on their way to economically matching whites in many areas last century before Liberals started giving black women an incentive not to catch a husband - thus giving black men a free pass on having to take care of his own family. IIRC, through the same period blacks had similar proportion to whites with broken families. Your argument of some kind of lingering effect of past dicrimination doesn't take into account the whites who also leech on the system - what great past abuse are they waiting to overcome before they can stop acting irresponsibly?

30 posted on 07/26/2005 12:41:13 AM PDT by MitchellC (Foolishness isn't a mental disorder.)
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To: Riverman94610
So are you saying we should have never passsed the 1964 Civil Rights Act

Yes. That's what I'm saying. The legislative "solution" has proven to be no solution at all. Black culture was not helped by the Civil Rights Act, as this article proves. In fact, that legislation could actually be credited with DESTROYING black culture, or at least the motive for improving it.

Thats a real stretch to say that that was the beginning of the decline of the black family.

This article would seem to bear out that hypothesis.

31 posted on 07/26/2005 5:05:30 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: StoneGiant

My wife's cousin has two kids with no dream of how to support them. She has a job but doesn't care if she loses it. She just assumes someone will give her money. She is also highly allergic to men with jobs and money.

I will be shocked if she doesn't have another one soon.


32 posted on 07/26/2005 5:08:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: lucysmom
All of that happened before welfare, my friend. While some still feel justified in dragging a human being to death behind a truck, others are outraged and demand justice. Blacks have been subjected to generation after generation after generation of abuse. It may take several more generations before the effects of abuse fades.
The article mentions Charles Murray's Losing Ground - American Social Policy, 1950-1980. I read that book when it came out in the mid-80s; you obviously have not. Murray showed that when welfare became a "right," blacks decided not to work. He showed the statistics, and they tell the tale.

That isn't racism, it is just to recognize the reality that black men were cut out of the loop by the "Great Society." What the minimum wage does is to outlaw the first rung of the economic ladder, for the people with the least ability to get a good job. Thomas Sowell will tell you that the minimum wage law was first proposed by and for white racists. Sowell himself once thought the "minimum wage" law was a good idea, but he did an economic analysis of how much good it was doing - and realized that it was pernicious.

Some other poster said that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a disaster for blacks. I won't go that far, but the rest of the "Great Society" program was. Because it was socialism, and socialism is mismanagement. The fundamental principle of management has to be that a person can only be responsible for something if he has authority over it. IOW, if the plumbing leaks, kicking the cat will not make it stop leaking because that cat had no control over it in the first place. But socialism gives the authority to the government, and the individual still has to bear the results without being in control.

I'm not an Ayn Rand fan in general, but the Atlas Shrugged principle is true in the case of the black man and the "Great Society" - the black man just disappeared. And what you have in the matriachial black family is the result. The black man doesn't support and protect the black family because the government co opted him - effectively seduced the black woman into throwing him over for the government welfare check.

And what is the consequence? Half of the black children are boys - but far too often they have no positive role model not only in their own home but even in their neighborhood, to inspire them to grow up to be providing and protecting fathers. And the other half, the girls, don't have a role model for being a mother who can select and be loyal to a man who will grow (as men do) into that role.

All very well to blame "the legacy of slavery," but that is in very important ways a half-truth. For all the travails along the generations, blacks are Americans. And the truth is that if they were given the right to sell their American citizenship to foreigners and, say, move to Africa, they would be able to afford "forty acres and a mule" - but what fool would take that deal? If the Democrats had been willing to allow the process of the 1950s to extend through the 1980s, blacks wouldn't have become - become the "underclass" which this article describes. They were not the "underclass" in 1960 that they were in 1990 for the simple reason that the black family (although "scandalously" unstable by reputation at the time) was about as solid then as the white American family is now.

If you looked at the trendlines of statistics in Losing Ground, and covered up all the data after 1960, you would predict on that basis that blacks would have essentially caught up with whites within a couple of generations - i.e., about now. But the "Great Society" prevented that from happening. The "Great Society" was in its own way a horror to be compared with slavery. It is a blot on American - and Democratic Party - history.

And while you are expanding the scope of your knowledge of the history of blacks in America, take a moment to expand your knowledge of the general history of slavery. All very well to sit comfortably in your study and pound out denumciations of slavery in other times, but throughout history (and worldwide) real people were involved not only as slaves but as slave masters.

Slaves were stolen by whoever could take them, from whoever could not prevent it, by whoever could get away with it. That started a very long time ago (see for example the book of Exodus in the Bible), and (it is true) it did not end with the advent of Christianity. It did not end with the advent of Islam. In fact, when did it end? It actually still exists in places. Christians didn't take it upon themselves to end the institution of slavery until basically the lifetime of Queen Victoria (1819-1901). Up until that era not only the Christians in particular but humanity in general had tried to avoid being slaves but had not lifted a finger to prevent strangers from being enslaved.

What happened? First, European polities coalesced into states which were powerful enough to prevent slavers from stealing citizens from their countries, at least on a commercial scale. Then - concommitant with such novelties as the Declaration of Independence - Christians began to actually question the virtue of peole who held slaves or even tolerated the holding of slaves. Only then, in all of history, do you see anyone (i.e., American Southerners) attempting to justify slavery because only then was the institution under serious attack.

There was a shift in the Christian paradigm. That didn't happen in Islam, or anywhere else. What happened was that Christians, and not anyone else, came to feel a responsibility to behave toward the slave as the Good Samaritan of the Bible behaved toward the man who "fell among thieves." The result was that Christians in general, and English-speaking people in particular, actually fought for the liberty of strangers. Certainly the southerners who fought the Union Army opposed that, and they were Christians. But they were in different circumstances than those who did not have a huge racial population with the motive to start a race war - they had a tiger by the tail, and not only had a reason to hold on but a positive dread of letting go.

Net - net, slavery was abolished in North America through the Civil War, which was over secession - but secession was over slavery. Slavery was abolished elsewhere, due more than any other Christians to the influence of the British who controlled up to a quarter of the world - and to no one other than Christians. The abolition of slavery was essentially the British equivalent of putting a man on the moon. During the Victorian era, whatever else the British had on their plate they also kept a squadron of warships off the west coast of Africa to hunt down slave ships - for no other reason than (Victorian-era) Christian scruples.

And that was just some of the highlights of Thomas Sowell's Black Rednecks and White Liberals, at a bookstore near you.


33 posted on 07/26/2005 5:10:03 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: AppyPappy

Note: She qualifies as a "black" family.


34 posted on 07/26/2005 5:14:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: lunarbicep; lucysmom
Freedom is not Enough . . . For the task is to give 20 million Negroes the same chance as every other American to learn and grow, to work and share in society, to develop their abilities--physical, mental and spiritual, and to pursue their individual happiness . . .
What arrogance! Freedom may not be all you think you want, but if it's the government giving it it will be a reduction of freedom.

What you need in addition to freedom is a family - people whose example convinces you that you can make something of yourself, and that it's worth the effort to do so. Can the government give you that?


35 posted on 07/26/2005 5:43:25 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: AppyPappy
Note: She qualifies as a "black" family.

What does that mean? What does one have to do to qualify as a black family, other than being black?

36 posted on 07/26/2005 5:46:46 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: IronJack
Yes. That's what I'm saying. The legislative "solution" has proven to be no solution at all. Black culture was not helped by the Civil Rights Act, as this article proves. In fact, that legislation could actually be credited with DESTROYING black culture, or at least the motive for improving it.

So I guess having to use the bathroom in the bushes because there were no "colored" bathrooms within miles in the South was character building, huh?

37 posted on 07/26/2005 5:49:27 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"What you need in addition to freedom is a family - people whose example convinces you that you can make something of yourself, "

it would also help if the black community did not create negative role models such as "gangsta rappers". Conservative middle class role models are few and far between. (Bill Cosby is getting old these days)

38 posted on 07/26/2005 5:57:35 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: LWalk18

According to the state, she has black children.


39 posted on 07/26/2005 6:11:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: IncPen; Nailbiter; Forecaster

Excellent !!


40 posted on 07/26/2005 6:51:32 AM PDT by BartMan1 (...)
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