Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9

Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway and friends in Aruba 5/30/05

[GarySpFc]

Would you please expand upon your assertion that the shoe is important. I am trying to understand its full significance.

Have you ever walked in deep mud, and have it suck your shoe off? Why would JvdS be walking in deep mud?

[elli1]

Montana Plaza Residence is a brand new residential community in which we feature a beautiful villa...

[Sunshine55]

They aren't the same person. Nowhere on that website did it say they were.

[presently no screen name]

JvdS be walking in deep mud?



In more ways than one!

[countryconservative]

Can I answer?

Cops know Joran lost a shoe - Joran has not been able to explain where he lost the shoe. Joran has never claimed to be near or that close to the Racquet Club the night Natalee came up missing. If they find shoe then Joran is once again caught in a lie and where they find the shoe they may find Natalee or something that belonged to her.

Also Joran told police he walked home that night. Surely he did not walk home barefooted or with just one shoe on. It a long a rough walk. ALE still does not know how Joran got home, but they don't believe he walked home.

[texasbluebell]

I get your drift!

Yes, I've learned amazing amounts of info over the past few years, all from my little computer.

[countryconservative]

Tell me where the picture came from exactly of the front of the house and let me check it out.

[presently no screen name]

I've learned amazing amounts



Ditto! Seems the whole world opened up to me.

[texasbluebell]

Also Joran told police he walked home that night. Surely he did not walk home barefooted or with just one shoe on. It a long a rough walk. ALE still does not know how Joran got home, but they don't believe he walked home.

I liked what somebody said about J tonight, think it was TJ Ward. Said J is a "soft boy".

He isn't tough enough to have walked that whole distance without a shoe, very sharp and rocky walk for his soft little feet.

[texasbluebell]

Now if I could just put it to good use!

[countryconservative]

Nowhere on that website did it say they were

From the website...

What we haven't heard is that Lorenzo Van Rijn and Jaime Carrasquilla are more than likely one and the same person. If you study the comparison photos at the top you'll see the likeness. Granted his hair is bleached blonde and his eyebrows are grown out, he appears to be wearing aplenty of sunscreen to keep his naturally dark complexion from getting more sun than necessary and the oils show in his skin. He may even be donning colored contacts in one photo.

Or he he really blonde and dyes his hair dark and sports a tan to look Columbian, even adopting a Columbian name?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html

[Palladin]

Thanks, sissy and Gary. Now I get it.

But Joran and his lawyere will just make up another reason why that size fifteen canal boat was in that pond.

They'll say the Goon went fishing there before he went to C&C's.

[rolling_stone]

thanks

[HoHoeHeaux]

Why thank you for asking Palladin! (o:

The island is dry and scrubby. If he walked miles to his home, with only one shoe, and tried to replace a "lost shoe", it could be very damaging. Especially if anyone noticed sores on his foot. That's doubtful tho, since it took 11 days to arrest him. Maybe the authorities looked at his feet.

Maybe I am grasping here. I just want so much for this family to have answers. I am hopeful tonight tho.

[countryconservative]

You are getting those picture from 2 completely different websites - Does the website that shows the front of the house also show the back of the house?

[Sunshine55]

That is an assumption made by the poster, not quoted as fact. It was posted but someone else that the first pic is actually Brandon Pietersz and not Lorenzo OR Jamie. (Which is why I was calling it to maggie's attention in the first place.)

[Collier]

If I'm not mistaken, that was Mark Fuhrman.

Mark also said that they should have found out all of J's haunts, and canvassed the area. He belonged to that racquetball club, I believe.

Mark's point was, if they canvassed all area's that J frequented, talked to all the neighbors, etc., they might have come up with witnesses much earlier.

ALE really botched it.

[Palladin]

Agree that they must find more than just a shoe of Joran's for it to be damning evidence. They'll have to find something of Natalee's in there, too.

Most likely her body was removed from this first hiding place when PVDS got involved and made the body disappear.

But several objects belonging to her may have been left in the mud. Clothing, jewelry, sandals, driver's license, bracelet.

[elli1]

I'm sorry. I meant to put the link in the post. Here it is:

Montana Plaza

Also, if you click on the 'Click Here For More Photos', a photo album will come up with the header 'Montana 209'...might be the house number?

[presently no screen name]

Just a thought.


Joran and the brothers were at the pond with Natalee in the trunk when the gardener went by. If Joran put Natalee in the muddy pond, he no doubt was full of mud. Deepak, THE MAN, MR CLEAN, didn't want him back in his clean machine.
Deepak went home to get some sheets to cover his seats/floor and planned on going back to get Joran but Joran called his dad to pick him up and then Joran called Deepak to tell him he got a ride home.

IIRC that's the night Deepak and Satish was washing "THE CAR".