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Canada: Imam warns Ottawa to back off Muslims
Globe and Mail ^ | 07/25/05 | COLIN FREEZE

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:06:10 AM PDT by Pikamax

A controversial Toronto imam warned Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan at a closed-door meeting to stop "terrorizing" Canadian Muslims.

"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.

The meeting was part of an effort by Ms. McLellan to reach out to Canadian Muslims amid complaints that the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service are engaging in racial profiling.

The minister and her officials have been meeting community leaders to explain they are not targeting Muslims generally, only individuals with possible terrorist links.

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By many accounts, the meetings have been positive and are contributing to a thaw in relations between Muslims and security agents, even if the exchange in May was a little heated.

Mr. Hindy, who has long complained that CSIS is spying on him, his family and his mosque, told Ms. McLellan that a young Muslim woman complained to him she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because "our women are the most valuable thing to us" and "for a Muslim, honour is more important than his life," Mr. Hindy said in a recent interview.

He made the point to the minister. Several people who attended shrugged off the imam's remarks, but some Muslims and government agents later approached Mr. Hindy asking him to explain himself.

"The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes," he said. "But it's for the good of this country.

"And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.' "

While government investigators probing the woman's complaint told Mr. Hindy they have not found evidence of wrongdoing, he isn't giving the spy service the benefit of the doubt.

"We believe CSIS should stop terrorizing us," he says in a flyer he is circulating to mosques. "CSIS is powerless. CSIS has no authority over you. If CSIS agents come to your door, do not open [it] for them."

Toronto's Coalition of Muslim Organizations arranged the meeting, and said about 100 Muslim leaders attended. While COMO president Adam Esse noted that, "some people, when they talk, they get a little heated," he said the ministerial visit was "a sign of respect" and was worthwhile overall. "If you talk, you remove a lot of misconceptions, a lot of misunderstandings."

A spokesman for Ms. McLellan agreed. "We feel it was constructive, positive," Alex Swann said.

Even Mr. Hindy said that despite his differences with security agencies "the Deputy Prime Minister, she was very understanding."

In the wake of the London bombings, Ms. McLellan has said that Canadians must become "psychologically prepared" for such an attack.

She has also suggested such strikes are not related to the U.S.-led war in Iraq, in which Britain is a strong partner. Mr. Hindy believes the war in Iraq has caused young Muslims to want to fight against the United States and Britain. "I always say the No. 1 recruiter of al-Qaeda is George W. Bush," he said.

The imam said six or seven young men have approached him to discuss "fighting overseas" in place such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

He said he told them "people fighting in Iraq, they don't need more people."

Instead, Canadian Muslims can wage non-violent jihads (holy struggles) at home. "You have a very good chance to serve Islam here," he said he told them.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canuckistan; dhimmitude; jihadincanada; trop
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To: Pikamax
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.

Better start watching your subways and busses, Canada.
21 posted on 07/25/2005 7:23:15 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("We must be tolerant and understanding of those trying to blow us to pieces" - Ted Kennedy & Co.)
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To: davisfh

That's pretty accurate considering the Liberal Party of Canada uses tax money as their own personal slush fund and is not held accountable.

The biggest problem is smug apathy. The radical muslims are your standard bully and Canada (sadly too many of my compatriots) are your run of the mill bystander...."oops, if I say anything he might come after me..."

In short, we enable this nonsense. Bullies understand power and perceive civility as weakness. Nothing less than a show of force will get them to stand down.


22 posted on 07/25/2005 7:25:11 AM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Pikamax

I guess Mr. Hindy doesn't remember the "Paki-bashing" days that took place in Canada in the '70's.


23 posted on 07/25/2005 7:26:03 AM PDT by norge
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To: davisfh
"But they wont be and the reason that they wont be is that liberals, in general, and Canadian liberals, in particular, have absolutely no understanding of cause and effect. They can not imagine what the future holds for them."

It is the job of conservatives to save Western civilization; liberals just don't get it. They are smug, self-satisfied, and PC; they seriously believe that Jerry Falwell is a bigger threat to our society than Al Quaeda. Liberals are always denouncing Western civilization as the greatest evil in world history; they really do believe that, and for that reason they lack the will to defend it and will ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS, "blame America first."
24 posted on 07/25/2005 7:26:39 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Vinomori

Since any sign of conciliation is perceived as weakness by these F*&ks, and they only respect overwhelming and crushing force, I suggest now is the time to introduce them to that which is easiest for them to respect and grasp.


25 posted on 07/25/2005 7:26:40 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Pikamax
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control,"

The reply from Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan should have been "We can guarantee what will happen if your uncontrollable young people cross the line. We will hand you their heads on the end of a spike!"

26 posted on 07/25/2005 7:34:27 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Pikamax

This is all rapidly coming to a boil. Something is going to happen in a lot of countries very soon. I think all the muslims know it and they are stalling as long as they can until a multi-country outbreak starts.


27 posted on 07/25/2005 7:34:38 AM PDT by ampat
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To: timsbella
"smug"

That word, describing liberals, also found its way into my post #24. It is really characteristic of the liberal worldview. Ironically, it is because they are the very thing that they claim to despise - bourgeois, in Berdyaev's (Russian religious/social philosopher) sense: comfortable and at home in the world, lacking a tragic sense of life, lacking a real sense of evil, self-centered, possessed of strong egos which give them a feeling of invulnerability.
28 posted on 07/25/2005 7:36:54 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: NoClones

The Canadians are such weak sisters they have nothing left upon which to draw in the way of courage or boldness. Whinging parasites on the American defense umbrella. Hells Bells, seal off the Canuckistan border and only let the ones we like in. All high-grade European stock refugees from Canuckistan readily accomodated.


29 posted on 07/25/2005 7:41:15 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci

it may come to that which is sad - canada has some beautiful country which would be off limits if islam takes over there


31 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:25 AM PDT by NoClones
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To: Steve_Seattle

"Ironically, it is because they are the very thing that they claim to despise - bourgeois"

You nailed it. There's a self loathing that permeates these individuals and their actions. The calm they breathe is the air of borrowed time. You can only live with a viscious animal so long before it turns on you.


32 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:45 AM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Loud Mime

"Make My Eh?"


33 posted on 07/25/2005 7:50:17 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: Pikamax
"You have a very good chance to serve Islam here," he said he told them.

This guy knows that all he has to do is threaten and the Canadian government will come goveling at his feet.

I understand that Toronto has a HUGE and very hostile Arab community.

34 posted on 07/25/2005 7:54:05 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: nygoose
check the EXIT date on his visa

Then, hit the road Jack.

35 posted on 07/25/2005 7:55:13 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Pikamax

This "imam" reminds me of several ministers in my own denomination. They have nothing to offer in any situation except their smug self-righteousness.


36 posted on 07/25/2005 8:02:29 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: norge
I miss the good old "Paki-bashing" days, but not Pierre, the midget, Trudeau and his anti American agenda.
37 posted on 07/25/2005 8:06:46 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Pikamax
Image hosted by Photobucket.com since they don't really have an Army, loose their hocky hooligans on them...
38 posted on 07/25/2005 8:32:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: NoClones
Well, the alternative would be to invade Canada again and clean the cesspool out our selves: send the Frogs and Wogs packing....

(PS I'm not serious, but it sounded good at the moment....)

39 posted on 07/25/2005 10:13:14 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Pikamax

And the jackass liberals of Can-a-duh will I'm sure comply.


40 posted on 07/25/2005 12:08:37 PM PDT by conservativecorner
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