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Why Did So Many People Hate Bill Clinton? An Exchange Among Conservatives
History News Network ^ | July 25, 2005 | By David Horowitz, Paul Gottfried, Larry Schweikart and Gene Kizer

Posted on 07/25/2005 4:35:49 AM PDT by johnny7

In a recent essay in the NYT Book Review of John F. Harris's The Survivor: Bill Clinton in the White House, Alan Ehrenhalt speculated about the reasons Clinton was so disliked. This sparked a rigorous debate on Richard Jensen's list, ConservativeNet. Below, a sampling of opinion.

Alan Ehrenhalt's Review

Millions of Americans despise Bill Clinton. They have done so since he became a presence in national politics in the early 1990's, and they continue to do so today, more than four years after his retirement from public office.

(Excerpt) Read more at hnn.us ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: johnny7
I despise him because he completely trashed basic rules of a civilized society and we are left to pick up the shattered pieces. His choices became our consequences. Even today, he still laughs about it and the MSM continues to marvel at this beast they helped to create. Societal rules and justice left this lawless man with only one mark, an *asterik by his name. *With the exception of Clinton. That is not justice in a society of rules.
41 posted on 07/25/2005 5:17:55 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: johnny7

I don't much care for sociopaths.


42 posted on 07/25/2005 5:22:33 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: kidd
3) Brought the United States into the Kosovo conflict, despite the complete lack of US interests,

And with not one peep from the anti-war, hand-wringing left.

43 posted on 07/25/2005 5:23:41 AM PDT by silent_jonny (every time a conservative is nominated an angel gets his wings)
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To: johnny7
...Did...

Still DO.

For starters: giving the Red Chinese missile technology for campaign contributions - that's TREASON.

44 posted on 07/25/2005 5:24:47 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Thank GOD There's a Cowboy in the White House!)
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To: johnny7

Erenhalt doesn't get it. While Clinton may have been a consummate politician, he was all piñata and no candy. Dishonest, abusive, sneaky in his personal life, he was completely untrustworthy, even to his own allies. Loosely quoting/paraphrasing George Will, "he may not have been the worst president, but he was the worst man to have been president." The democrat/press incestuous relationship became quite clear and his presidency was papered over by a media, (with helpful polls) that only incredibly asked only one question about Juanita Broaderick, and was amazed at and admired at his capacity to dodge, weave and rationalise.

Any attempt to understand why people "despised" him without mentioning the very serious and cosnsequential events of his presidency(Technology transfer, credible allegations of violent criminal behaviour, serial terror attacks, Somalia, Rawanda, Waco)and how he responded is just an exercise in navel gazing.


45 posted on 07/25/2005 5:25:13 AM PDT by Kay Syrah (always remember your towel)
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To: silent_jonny
(Kosovo) And with not one peep from the anti-war, hand-wringing left

Despite a promise to be out of there in one year.

46 posted on 07/25/2005 5:30:26 AM PDT by kidd
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To: johnny7

John Huang, Mochtar Riady, Lippo, Wang Jun, Charlie Trie, Loral, Ron Brown, Ron Brown's funeral, Los Alamos, FBI files, Ruth Bader Gisburg, Gary Aldridge, Kathleen Wiley, Juanita Brodrick, Madeline Albright, Janet Reno, Waco, World Trade Center 1, USS Cole, Lincoln Bedroom, loathing the military, draft dodging, Susan McDougal, Hillary and healthcare, travel office, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Barbara Striesand, Elian Gonzales, Vince Foster, Arkansas church burnings, 'I did not have sex with that woman....', 'the most ethical administration ever', Jack Palandino, Linda Tripp, Jennifer Flowers, Cisneros, Web Hubble, middle-class tax cuts, retroactive tax increases, Mogadishu, Rawanda, Stephen Bryer, African Embassies, Harold Ickies, IRS audits......just off the top of my head.


47 posted on 07/25/2005 5:33:04 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: clee1
I agree with you and your reasons 100%.

But he does give me the creeps. He is such a strange person. I don't think he is mentally normal. I think he has a personality disorder. He has Malignant Narcissism Disorder. So does his so called "wife". They have a strange so called "marriage" too.
48 posted on 07/25/2005 5:34:25 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE ~ It is a CHILD!!!!!!)
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To: johnny7

In Bill Clinton we got see in stark clarity what the basic transaction is at the heart of liberalism: you let us kill our babies, we'll let you rape women.


49 posted on 07/25/2005 5:35:18 AM PDT by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

TREASON is exactly right. I still can't believe the Senate didn't have the spine or the balls to convict him!!!!!


50 posted on 07/25/2005 5:35:19 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE ~ It is a CHILD!!!!!!)
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To: Taliesan

Man, you said it so well!!!!


51 posted on 07/25/2005 5:35:41 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE ~ It is a CHILD!!!!!!)
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To: johnny7

My Dad's voting record sums up Bill Clinton. My Father was a conservative democrat and he voted for Clinton for his first term in office. By the second election my conservative Father was now solid Republican. He grew to despise the man in just four years, and this new Democratic party that treated him as a Demigod.


52 posted on 07/25/2005 5:36:32 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: johnny7
The generational issue is surely not the only explanation of Clinton hatred, but it may be the most persuasive one anybody has presented so far. Ultimately there will be others. The debate about Bill Clinton, about his character and achievements and moral worth, will go on long after the subject himself has departed from the scene. Clinton ''was too vital and too vexing a character to be easily forgotten or dismissed,'' Harris writes. This is a complex, interesting and subtle book about a complex, interesting and subtle man.
Chuck Colson was sentenced to a year in the federal pen for a single count of illegalling reading an FBI dossier without a legitimate purpose; Craig Livingstone wrongly gained accesse to 900 (if not 2000) of them, and walked. Somebody in the Clinton White House hired Craig Livingstone.

If it wasn't Bill who hired Craig Livingstone, he certainly covered up for whoever did. Anyone who was in the Clinton White House at the time (e.g., Hillary) is a suspect in that open case of malfeasance. If we can't convict the perpetrator, we at least shouldn't risk electing a suspect in that egregious felony to be the boss of the Attorney General of the United States.

The Democratic Party has essentially become frivolous. The establishment which calls itself "objective" journalism is simply nonfiction entertainment, and it has absorbed the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party nominates candidates for POTUS, but it does not want, and does not nominate, leaders for America. Following "objective journalism," the Democratic Party is a front group of second-guessers masquerading as leaders. And Bill Clinton is Exhibit A.

True though it be that Clinton's flaws are those characteristic of much of his generation, those flaws made him perhaps the worst president in American history - against stiff competiton from the other Democratic presidents of recent history.


53 posted on 07/25/2005 5:38:31 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: johnny7

A liar and a con-man, obvious to most early on.

Simple as that. His wife continues the same hypocrisy and triangulation today. They will say and do whatever it takes to get that 51%... that's their passion, their reason for being.

And that's why they're hated.


54 posted on 07/25/2005 5:38:42 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: johnny7

I'll align myself with Horowitz, which I usually do. If anyone knows the liberal mind, inside and out, it is he.

"David Horowitz (Mr. Horowitz is the founder of frontpagemag.com):

This is an interesting review, but I strongly demur from the view that Clinton hatred exceeds Bush hatred by any measure. Conservatives are more disgusted by Clinton; but they are not so blinded by their negative feelings that they don't appreciate Clinton's achievements, the centrism of his policy (when he wasn't surrendering his better judgment to interest groups), his brilliance as a politician. By contrast so-called liberals and leftists have a hatred of Bush that is so intense it reduces their view of him to absurdities -- he's a moron, a liar and evil. None of these are remotely related to any truth of the man or his presidency and the passion of belief in them is so strong that obscures any appreciation for his achievements in the war on terror and foreign policy generally which far surpass anything Clinton was able to do."

(And far surpasses everything that Clinton DIDN'T do, that we, as a Nation, now need to clean up.)


55 posted on 07/25/2005 5:40:21 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: johnny7
I completely disagree with the writer's premises. To wit:

>> The passion of the Clinton haters is a phenomenon without equal in recent American politics.

The phenomenon that needs explaining is Clinton lovers, not "haters." For example: the people who adored him to the point of sacrificing their own principles, such as the feminists who forgave his womanizing and even his rape.

Similarly, it the hatred of Bush that is without parallel in our history. There are legions today who blindly loathe President Bush, regardless of what he does or says. This is, to say the least, irrational.

In contrast, Clinton was and is kind of a lovable rogue in the great Southern tradition of cemetery lot salesmen. He is a Bubba. Conservatives didn't hate him, however much they despaired a given Clinton policy, or what he did to blue dresses, or his word twisting, or -- one that always fascinated me -- his pretending to be Jesus.

56 posted on 07/25/2005 5:40:53 AM PDT by T'wit (If any liberals get to Heaven, they'll lecture God on what's wrong with it and reform it all to Hell)
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bump


57 posted on 07/25/2005 5:41:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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58 posted on 07/25/2005 5:46:02 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: johnny7

I hate his rapist enabling, power hungry dirty bitch of a WIFE.


59 posted on 07/25/2005 5:50:08 AM PDT by Imani
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To: johnny7
Jimmah Cahtah was the worst president of the United States.
Bill Clinton was the worst man to have become president.
60 posted on 07/25/2005 5:50:49 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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