ARE we in a World War? You be the judge...

US State Dept; wikipedia; UCal; multiple others ^ | 7/24/05

[Petruchio]

Good Afternoon.

Please reread my point #4. Geographic demarcations will not define this war. It is far more accurate to define it on the world views. The world views are incompatible.Islam demands subjugation or death. The western world view is one of tolerance. Those 2 world views cannot co-exist peacefully.

[Wolfstar]

Thanks, OXEN.

[Publius6961]

Please send this to Hugh Hewitt.

Nah.
That p***y would first wet himself, say "that's crazy", then fall all over himself assuring the sandmaggots that we know that most of them are "good" muslims.

[tessalu]

And Condi Rice is in Israel trying to set up another Islamikazi government, as if all of these evils had not happened. I have never met a single Palestinian who wanted to live under Palestinian rule, and all of them have suffered abuse under the Islamikazi rule of Arafat, and they are looking for some way out of there. Money had been stolen by Arafat that should have been used for the people in the Palestinian areas. I find this all unbelievable, and beyond comprehension.

Just when will enough be enough?

[CHARLITE]

"I'd like to point out the hidden agenda of the liberal attitude. At some point the leftist intends to swoop in on his white horse and restore socialist order to the chaos they have surreptitiously perpetuated by regulating or outlawing all religion thereby bringing about their communist unity to the world."

That's their plan. You've got it exactly right. However it's "on HER white horse."

This is Hillary's plan precisely, and those of us who see it and understand it must do everything possible to prevent her socialist take-over of America. She should be deported, along with every militant "imam" spewing anti-American rhetoric in mosques all over America, because Hillary is equally as dangerous to the health and well being of this country.

Thanks for your post, Wolfstar.

Char

[Publius6961]

That list is awesome.
For years I have been hoping that it were possible to assemble a chronological list of all Muslim Mass Murders since 1948. As good a date to start as any, although their unique approach to making friends predated the UN by at least a hundred years.

Now, if I can just somehow meld it with Wolfstar's table...

Incidentally, has anyone else picked up on the fact that the list is already obsolete?
The latest ROP atrocity on the vacation spot on the Red Sea is not listed.

[Publius6961]

Boston has refused to start a bag search in the city's subway system because people are sreaming civil rights violations, shaking head rolling eyes, this makes me ill.

Not me. Why should it bother you at all?
Seems to me the people of Boston either agree that it's a problem, or die. It's their choice.

[Publius6961]

There wouldn't be enough room to list all the attacks on Israel.

All the more reason to include them.
That tiny country has suffered far out of proportion to their threat to Islam.

[Gucho]

Good post!


A bona fide World War

[Publius6961]

but they never so much as sent me an Email saying 'no thanks'.

You don't expect them to waste their time, do you?

Don't you realize how long it would take to train you to avoid all the thousands of things that you must not do to upset the ROP?

Get real. Organizing ourselves allow us to chuck all the BS. And the bureaucrats can interfere at their own risk.

[Clintonfatigued]

There are several reasons that these attacks are taking place.
1.) Islamic terrorists are virulently anti-semetic. They hate us because of our support of Israel.

2.) They hate individual liberty. Historically, Islamic society is based entirely on coercion. Individuals, families, clans, and communities are based on peoples' lives being pawns in the hands of a few cruel, arrogant people on pedestals. Exposure to our ideas threatens the power bases of these chieftans.

3.) Islamic culture is essentially nihilistic in nature. They kill and destroy at the drop of a hat. But, other than their architecture, they have very little technical or artistic achievement to show for their lives.

4.) Widespread lack of basic education. In many cases, the only schools available to children are run by terrorists and their supporters, who use this to poison their students minds with propoganda.

5.) Corruption and exploitation of the powerless, which is related to the previous two reasons, is a regular part of their culture. Too many people are powerless to better their livelihoods without facing violence. They become embittered, frustrated, and angry, and suceptible to the propaganda by those who benefit the most from keeping them powerless.

[Publius6961]

Dear Peach,
That is a terrible thing that you do, dangling the minimal parts of a fascinating story without giving us enough facts to dig out the complete story.

What time frame? What area of the country? This lady has *****. The world consists of talkers and doers. This woman is obviously a doer. Her opinion, as an example, is worth the opinion of 10,000 Danes (with apologies to the people of Denmark, I am aware that your flag has the proper symbol, but you have exported some doozies!)

[CHARLITE]

Brilliant analysis. You're right on all of your points.

Now, how to end this 1,400 history of appalling human subjugation for the benefit of a few potentates? How do we "demand" that they end their "educational system" (grooming children to become homicidal killers)?

Personally, I agree with Ali Sina [http://www.faithfreedom.org] who says that Islam in its entirety must be eradicated from the face of the earth.

That's the solution. I don't quite see the process, however, although President Bush's idea of leading these antiquated, corrupt dictatorial systems to democracy is one way of eradicating Islam. I'm rather impatient, though, with the "go slow" policy which could take tens of thousands more innocent lives over 2 generations.

A few doses of "shock and awe" in the right islamic hotbed locations could speed the process along and finally end what has been a scourge to humanity for 1,400 years.

Thanks for your excellent analysis.

Char (:

[rang1995]

fair enough

[melancholy]

Money had been stolen by Arafat that should have been used for the people in the Palestinian areas.

Abbas is no better; the last $20 mil the US gave Abbas immediately after Arafat's death to use some to pay Israel for utilities. The rest was put to very good use, indeed. (/sarc.off)

The Abbas government has the equivalent of our House and Senate. Every member of the House got a brand new Audi A4 and every member of the Senate got a brand new Audi A6!!

PS. I read this at the time and can't supply a link.

[Peach]

Keep reading, Publius6961. I found the article and posted more details. It's one of the most fascinating articles I've read in a long time and I'd love to see a similar effort, in a coordinated way, sponsored and taught by our government.

[Publius6961]

My point, for those who wish only to focus on Israel's struggles (or on our invasion of Iraq), is that the problem is far older and more extensive.

You miss the point entirely. The object of the exercise ough not to be how conveniently short we can make the list of muslim atrocities; rather how complete we can make it. Excluding Israel is a slap in the face to the thousands of her dead; worse, in my opinion, than "focusing" on her alone.

For my purposes, I will assemble a nuclear strike (rhetorically speaking) to the next imbecile, muslim or flying monkey who asks, "What about Timothy McVeigh?"

For that purpose alone, this thread is a rare jewel.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

You took a piece out of context. That is a tactic that the Democrats have a monopoly on.

Post #80 had a theme--all phrases and sentences are part of that theme.

[bvw]

There is no vendetta from Israel. Muslims live in Israel, after 1947 Isreal founded schools and hired inmans to teach them -- the vile ones had run out on the poor muslims.

I bet you know that, too. Yet how many Jews live in Saudi Arabia? Millions of Jews were expelled from Muslim-oriented or Arab states -- many before 1947, too. Iraq comes to mind. Iraq had a huge Jewish population before the 1920's.

Jew are peace-lovers. And I bet you know that too.

There is NO Jewish vendetta against Muslims -- there is only a will to survive. And there IS -- post 1920's -- a real strain, a deep and wide strain, too -- of Muslim hate against Jews and Christians.

So while the list of terrorist incidents in Israel given above starts after 1947, better that it go back to 1920 or so. Hebron. The massacre.

And at that hideous massacre, evidently planned by the Muslim Mufti of Jerusalem -- a number of good Muslims took the side of the Jews, and protected the few survivors with sword in hand.

There are good Muslims. But the vile ones have the power and the moment.

[bvw]

Thanks, and a dread thanks that is, for too many names and dates ... all sad.